National Education Union conference to debate if Supreme Court trans ruling is ‘attempted genocide’

nonono you are doing it wrong.

You have to ask how many kids committing (provably because of GI stuff) suicide is too many. And we will answer in the true TRA style: n+1

(except we won't because we are not the bad guys here. Of course children with mental health issues that may lead to them harming themselves or worse should be addressed. Properly by mental health professionals)

upon only reading the subject of the thread: I would expect an absolutely rigorous definition of terms

What is the definition of genocide?

And this is why i left the NEU. I didn't join it in the first place, it engulfed the union i joined wjich had excellent representation for librarians, and instantly dropped all that. Useless.

What will this achieve?

They will vote yes, thus creating a whole new reason for continued frothing?

If anything it's trans people and trans supporters who are committing genocide by constantly going on about trans people killing themselves and thereby encouraging vulnerable trans people to do it themselves! The more suicide is framed by the pro-trans community as a normal behaviour amongst trans people, the more trans people will kill themselves. How about encouraging resilience in the face of not getting what you want instead of spending so much effort promoting the idea that suicide is a natural response to perceived oppression?

I can't see what possible point passing this motion even has?

They can't change the law.

The end.

The reference in this report to "gender-based bullying" is about boys bullying this poor girl at school & nothing to do with your "trans" obsession. It's also not a pathology report but a specific coroner's "Prevention of future deaths report" which is produced for every child suicide.

If you were that bothered you would not use the term committing suicide. This creates stigma and implies criminality. You should say something like die by suicide, took their own life.

Back to the Op what a lot of nonsense. I’m very glad my kids are all done with school. Attempted genocide indeed. The sooner educators get on with the job of teaching instead of pushing ideology and of pandering to one group of kids with luxury beliefs the expense of all the others who genuinely need support the better

The ego is just delicious of how you lot think any trans person needs and pines for your approval, or cares of your transphobic view

Lol. Make your mind up. One minute we're genociding trans people left, right and centre with a click of our single set enjoying finger, and the next we couldn't be less relevant.

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Well I searched but couldn’t find the actual motion. So not sure if motion 14 actually mentions genocide or FWS. The press release dresses motion 14 up as being inclusive in the classroom.

You are not being "erased from public life" if you are not allowed ALL the sweeties in the shop.

You are not being told that you are invalid, sub human or unacceptable if there are some places and services and resources and opportunities that are reserved for people of a category that doesn't include you.

Suicide prevention is important but it is achieved by giving people the psychological support to accept the things they cannot change, the strength and power and freedom to change what they can, and the wisdom to kmow the difference. It is not achieved by pretending that the thing they want to be true is true and trying to force everyone else in the world to pretend the same.

Children should be free of all expectations of gender and at liberty to express themseves and partake in activities in a gender free way with no comments or disparagment of the boy who loves ballet and fairy princess dresses or the girl who loves bmx biking and robotics. They should be taught, in different age-appropriate ways that their physical sex is a totally different thing from the extent to which the fit (or don't fit) some old-fashioned stereotypes of gender, and that they have absolute freedom to do what they like with their gender but that their physical sex will never change and that is ok and does not prevent them from being themselves - whether they are trans or gay or anything else, they can be whole and free and valid. Strict enforcement that after age 8 only male children use the male facilities and only female children use the female facilities, and that sports are divided on the basis of sex not gender for rational and valid reasons and that trans people are absolutely at liberty to participate within their correct sex categoty, is part of that, with understanding that both male and female facilities are gender free because there is no expectations for gender in either, and case by case provision of a separate single-user area if any child genuinely can't cope with using the facilities appropriate to their physical sex (though with appropriate support and without the propagana telling them that they are supposed to be unable to cope with sharing facilities with people who have the same body type as them but different ideas about gender, I don't think that would happen very often)

It is stonewall ideology that has taught them that the appropriate reaction to people refusing to share their fantasy world is suicide. One of the first rules of suicide prevention is to never ever make statements that person X committed suicide because of reason Y. It is always more complicated than that with multiple factors and with the right support, someone on the brink of such drastic self harm can be helped to step back and live. The damage done by such simplistic statements is that it makes it more difficult to reach and help the next person to whom reason Y applies because you have basically instructed them that suicide is the appropriate next step.

And these people are the ones educating our children.

If they are incapable of using evidence and facts to demonstrate logic and reason, what hope of teaching our children to do so? How can we trust them them to teach science and biology? Or history and politics? Or sociology? Or anything. Why would we believe that they have our daughter’s best interests at heart and would try to protect them from sexism or misogyny or even sexual assault. For that matter, why aren’t teachers, who face an avalanche of catastrophic issues in education, pushing back and saying to their union just stop spending time and energy on nonsense ones.

How, just how can they claim a legal judgement set to protect women’s rights is genocide?? As others have said, this is an insult to those who have or are suffering actual genocide. It demeans their experience.

Genderism is truly an example of competitive amensalism. Something akin to that with its successful mix of aggressive narcissistic men and handmaidens.

Still a coronial report @AidaP - not from a pathologist. Still with this batshit movement I guess words can mean whatever you want them to - so you can never be wrong. As in your own head you’re always right - really strange way to live.

Yes prevention of deaths reports are prepared and sent by a coroner - not a pathologist. You need to get your facts right @AidaP

The NEU thing is being called a debate but did anyone speak against the motion? I suspect nobody dared but all kudos to anyone who did.

The ability of this ideology to make adult professionals beclown themselves continues to astound.
Yet again it's the kids who are harmed by their posturing.

the NEU have all sorts of extremist debates imo but sadly not a lot to do with actual helpful policy ideas like say ensuring it’s mandatory for a school
to have a library, librarian and counsellor. All of which would be helpful.

A lot of us are still working too. We don't break up until tomorrow in my area. I am a member of the NEU and wish there was a suitable alternative, but I haven't found one yet.

Teachers who spend a chunk of their much-needed Easter break attending a union conference instead of flying off to the Canaries or having a relaxing time at home are not at all typical of members of the teaching profession. A conference in the school holidays will inevitably be attended by only the most politically motivated and left wing teachers, boring centre leftish types like myself wouldn’t go anywhere near it.

And these are the people we pay to educate the nations children, maybe we need our heads read too. 🤔

I read upthread that the motion has passed.
I would like to know
a) how many people voted to pass it
b) what proportion of NEU membership that number is
c) how many of those people are actually classroom teachers, not full-time union staff, or student/trainees, etc
I suspect the answers might be interesting.

National Education Union conference to debate if Supreme Court trans ruling is ‘attempted genocide’

And these are the adults we entrust with our children’s education.

God help us.