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When are we going to see a reckoning for the girls locked up for being victims of rape gangs?

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BettyBooper · 29/03/2026 23:24

Just as the title says. When are politicians, local authorities and social services going to admit to locking up girls rather than going after the perpetrators of these crimes? For years.

For anyone who thinks I'm talking bollocks, local authorities who have a secure children's home earn significant amounts of money by (I have seen) cherry picking girls 'at risk of sexual exploitation ' to be locked up indefinitely by charging LAs a fortune and no-one does anything to go after the source problem.

This has been going on for years and years.

It's a national disgrace that needs discussion at the very least.

Girls should not be locked up for being victims of rape.

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SionnachRuadh · 02/04/2026 19:51

I don't particularly want to get into yet another argument about Rupert Lowe, except to mention that the small group of young men who he's hired to run his movement - Charlie Downes, Harrison Pitt, Connor Tomlinson - are, or pretend to be a lot more extreme than Lowe. And I'm not a particular fan of Lowe in the first place - ask Southampton FC fans what kind of man he is.

If we're talking about justice for the victims, a man who welcomes open white nationalists in his movement is not exactly the ideal person to advocate for them. If you want to know more about Mr Lowe's inner circle, I am happy to give details.

By the way, just to be non-partisan, someone should really tell Ayesha Hazarika that cracking flippant jokes about grooming gangs, particularly when you belong to the perpetrators' in-group, is not a good look: 🇬🇧 𝙔𝙊𝙊𝙆𝘼𝙔 𝘼𝙀𝙎𝙏𝙃𝙀𝙏𝙄𝘾𝙎 🇬🇧 (@MythoYookay): "" | XCancel

Sir Keir Starmer KCB KC MP likes to harrumph about statements by Tory MPs, or Reform councillors who nobody has ever heard of, and proclaim "If he was on my team, I'd have sacked him!" I am not holding my breath for Baroness Hazarika to lose the Labour whip in the Lords.

HPFA · 02/04/2026 09:03

Reports into the scandal have found some evidence of police being worried about racism.

But a much larger factor was the girls being seen as "slags" "asking for it" etc. Basically the same attitude as is taken when perpetrators are white.

I've not forgotten the Mumsnet thread where a poster was concerned about a home for vulnerable tennagers being opened in their street - exactly the group which maight be targeted. Most of the replies were on the lines of "I wouldn't want these undesirables in our street?"

Fundays12 · 02/04/2026 08:22

BettyBooper · 01/04/2026 22:28

This is it.

The utterly horrifying thing for me is the acceptance of the institutions that are supposed to protect vulnerable children that nothing can be done to prevent these crimes other than to lock girls up.

A pp said that the girls go back to these men.

Yes they do. But this 'hold our hands in the air' attitude is exactly the problem. We shouldn't have gangs of men roaming the streets completely unaccountable and brazenly raping girls with no fear of any come back. The Mayor of London denying there is even a problem!

The scale of this horror is difficult to wrap your head around. But we must. And we have to stop blaming and locking up the victims.

Well said. Its absolutely barbaric its been largely covered up and has taken an independent inquiry funded by crow funding to even the victims a chance to be heard. Mass prosecutions need to happen including of those that covered this up.

BettyBooper · 01/04/2026 22:28

TonTonMacoute · 01/04/2026 13:42

100% this.

The World at One yesterday interviewed one of the victims. She was gang raped countless times as a 12 and 13 year old. Multiply that by all the thousands of victims and try to figure out just how many men are there out there, happy to gang rape a 12 year old child and think nothing of it.

And now where are we? These men are walking around freely, thousands of them, because all the people who turned a blind eye to this for fear of being called racist, are now desperate to cover there own arse.

The woman interviewed asked how people could care so much about the victims of Epstein and yet not care a damn about the rape gang victims.

This is it.

The utterly horrifying thing for me is the acceptance of the institutions that are supposed to protect vulnerable children that nothing can be done to prevent these crimes other than to lock girls up.

A pp said that the girls go back to these men.

Yes they do. But this 'hold our hands in the air' attitude is exactly the problem. We shouldn't have gangs of men roaming the streets completely unaccountable and brazenly raping girls with no fear of any come back. The Mayor of London denying there is even a problem!

The scale of this horror is difficult to wrap your head around. But we must. And we have to stop blaming and locking up the victims.

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Fundays12 · 01/04/2026 14:05

logiccalls · 01/04/2026 13:23

Just a reminder that fake videos are now perfected. Therefore, seeing a video of something apparently 'as it happened', is not unarguable evidence it ever did happen. There was a widely reported and reproduced video showing the Pope, dressed up in a white quilted puffer jacket. It looked believable. He never wore any such garment.

Thank you for highlighting this. Fake videos are definitely a huge issue so even seeing this video if its exists wouldn't necessarily mean its real. Its pretty evident that Rupert is the victim of a smear campaign and the fact the media is blacklisitng him suggest to me he is doing something of interest

TonTonMacoute · 01/04/2026 13:42

BettyBooper · 30/03/2026 21:40

What people don't get, I think, is an understanding of the dynamics of group sex offences. It is very different to individual sex offences.

For an entire community to engage in and normalise sexual offending is deeply concerning. For our government to sweep it under the carpet is just horrendous.

100% this.

The World at One yesterday interviewed one of the victims. She was gang raped countless times as a 12 and 13 year old. Multiply that by all the thousands of victims and try to figure out just how many men are there out there, happy to gang rape a 12 year old child and think nothing of it.

And now where are we? These men are walking around freely, thousands of them, because all the people who turned a blind eye to this for fear of being called racist, are now desperate to cover there own arse.

The woman interviewed asked how people could care so much about the victims of Epstein and yet not care a damn about the rape gang victims.

logiccalls · 01/04/2026 13:29

It is sinister that England and Scotland have appointed 'equailites ministers' who are both Stonewall handmaidens.

In what other situations are people being given power to direct official action, after being appointed deliberately to ensure policy and action follows an ideology?

logiccalls · 01/04/2026 13:23

Fundays12 · 31/03/2026 21:04

Can you link the video of him saying this please? There is a massive smear campaign against Rupert so unless I have actually aeen the video I wouldn't necessarily believe its been said.

An inquiry is far more than any of the incompetent governments have done. They just covered it up instead which begs the question why.

Just a reminder that fake videos are now perfected. Therefore, seeing a video of something apparently 'as it happened', is not unarguable evidence it ever did happen. There was a widely reported and reproduced video showing the Pope, dressed up in a white quilted puffer jacket. It looked believable. He never wore any such garment.

Fundays12 · 31/03/2026 21:08

Tunnockstester · 31/03/2026 17:39

It's the failure of tory and labour to deal with this issue that has allowed the right wingers to gain traction.

I agree with this statement. We are now facing a situation were the average person ir frustrated because things are in such a mess across the country.

Fundays12 · 31/03/2026 21:04

PrettyDamnCosmic · 31/03/2026 17:16

Do you agree with Restore's campaigns director Charlie Downes that England deserved the grooming gangs as punishment for turning away from God?

A proper inquiry is being held not Lowe's stunt.

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Can you link the video of him saying this please? There is a massive smear campaign against Rupert so unless I have actually aeen the video I wouldn't necessarily believe its been said.

An inquiry is far more than any of the incompetent governments have done. They just covered it up instead which begs the question why.

plsdontlookatme · 31/03/2026 17:44

CandyEnclosingInvisible · 29/03/2026 23:34

However, a girl who has been groomed for years to become a thing to be used and exploited will very often abscond from care and return to the people abusing her if she isn't kept in secure accommodation. She needs extremely deep and sensitive psychological help to undo the damage of the grooming and that's a long slow process.

It is vital that all decisions prioritise the wellbeing of each child as an individual. sometimes it will be in a child's best interests to be kept in secure accommodation. The processesfod determining whether that is necessary should be swift and careful and should be fully funded.

I also wouldn't trust a for-profit institution to be ensuring a safe environment. Institutions where vulnerable teenage girls are kept are like a candy store for groomers. Ask me how I learned this...

plsdontlookatme · 31/03/2026 17:41

nOlives · 30/03/2026 09:56

This is new to me but I can see how it can happen, however surely if the child has had sex she has been raped and so they have a watertight conviction?

Clearly it is the members of the rape gangs that need locked up, and imo till they are no longer a risk to society.

Locking someone up for a crime requires due process. Sectioning/DoLSing teenage girls is very easy.

plsdontlookatme · 31/03/2026 17:39

Hoardasurass · 29/03/2026 23:32

@BettyBooper what do you mean by "locking up indefinitely" as nobody can just be locked up indefinitely without a crt order whether that's children or adults, criminal or mental health related

It's extremely easy to section someone or similar, especially a minor. There are almost no actual safeguards, and these mechanisms are copiously misused by individuals and organisations with a financial interest in detaining someone, or by clinicians practising defensively.

Tunnockstester · 31/03/2026 17:39

It's the failure of tory and labour to deal with this issue that has allowed the right wingers to gain traction.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 31/03/2026 17:16

Fundays12 · 31/03/2026 17:12

Lowe gives lots of interviews. I have watched him in them.

The inquiry maybe a politician stunt in your view but its brought much needed attention to the horrors of what these girls were put through and how much it was covered up. These girls deserve to be heard and these rapists deserve to be in jail or if not British born deported.

Do you agree with Restore's campaigns director Charlie Downes that England deserved the grooming gangs as punishment for turning away from God?

A proper inquiry is being held not Lowe's stunt.

Fundays12 · 31/03/2026 17:12

PrettyDamnCosmic · 31/03/2026 17:08

The inquiry is just a political stunt.

Lowe is embracing white nationalists like his campaigns director Charlie Downes who says England deserved the grooming gangs as punishment for turning away from God. Lowe gives no interviews. Charlie Downes is the voice of Restore.

Lowe gives lots of interviews. I have watched him in them.

The inquiry maybe a politician stunt in your view but its brought much needed attention to the horrors of what these girls were put through and how much it was covered up. These girls deserve to be heard and these rapists deserve to be in jail or if not British born deported.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 31/03/2026 17:08

Menopausalsourpuss · 31/03/2026 10:36

What nonsense, I am a supporter of Rupert and don't live in the US (not last time I checked am I a white supremacist (whatever that is)). Tell me without telling me you get all your info from the Guardian.

The inquiry is just a political stunt.

Lowe is embracing white nationalists like his campaigns director Charlie Downes who says England deserved the grooming gangs as punishment for turning away from God. Lowe gives no interviews. Charlie Downes is the voice of Restore.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 31/03/2026 17:06

Fundays12 · 31/03/2026 11:41

Absolute nonsense most of them are just skint, fed up British people who want a government that prioritises British people and British values. Throwing around words like ring wing only annoys the average person further. Its not right wing to want a country that is safe, does not allow mass uncontrolled migration but welcomes controlled and hard working migrants that integrate and the UK being a country where people are rewarded for hard work and financially better off for it.

Rupert shouldn't have had to crow fund to get the funds for an inquiry into the grooming gangs. The goverment should have done it immediately. Labour have just announced today it will happen. How many years has it taken? And how much pressure? How many girls suffered further because of that delay?

The inquiry is just a political stunt.

Lowe is surrounding himself with people like his policy chief Harrison Pitt who flew to Austria to pose for photos with neo-Nazi activist Martin Sellner who is permanently banned from entering the UK.

Fundays12 · 31/03/2026 11:41

PrettyDamnCosmic · 31/03/2026 10:05

The mainstream media are largely blacking out his party but he has 1.1 million followers on Facebook alone.

About a million of those followers are right wing Christians in the US. He has surrounded himself with white supremacists & is holding a fake inquiry.

Absolute nonsense most of them are just skint, fed up British people who want a government that prioritises British people and British values. Throwing around words like ring wing only annoys the average person further. Its not right wing to want a country that is safe, does not allow mass uncontrolled migration but welcomes controlled and hard working migrants that integrate and the UK being a country where people are rewarded for hard work and financially better off for it.

Rupert shouldn't have had to crow fund to get the funds for an inquiry into the grooming gangs. The goverment should have done it immediately. Labour have just announced today it will happen. How many years has it taken? And how much pressure? How many girls suffered further because of that delay?

Menopausalsourpuss · 31/03/2026 10:36

PrettyDamnCosmic · 31/03/2026 10:05

The mainstream media are largely blacking out his party but he has 1.1 million followers on Facebook alone.

About a million of those followers are right wing Christians in the US. He has surrounded himself with white supremacists & is holding a fake inquiry.

What nonsense, I am a supporter of Rupert and don't live in the US (not last time I checked am I a white supremacist (whatever that is)). Tell me without telling me you get all your info from the Guardian.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 31/03/2026 10:05

Fundays12 · 30/03/2026 22:06

Have a look at Rupert Lowe. He has set up Restore Britain. Its a political party and part of the reason he has set it up is because of the grooming gangs being covered up. The mainstream media are largely blacking out his party but he has 1.1 million followers on Facebook alone. The stories of these young girls he has released with there consent is heartbreaking.

The mainstream media are largely blacking out his party but he has 1.1 million followers on Facebook alone.

About a million of those followers are right wing Christians in the US. He has surrounded himself with white supremacists & is holding a fake inquiry.

Fundays12 · 30/03/2026 22:06

Have a look at Rupert Lowe. He has set up Restore Britain. Its a political party and part of the reason he has set it up is because of the grooming gangs being covered up. The mainstream media are largely blacking out his party but he has 1.1 million followers on Facebook alone. The stories of these young girls he has released with there consent is heartbreaking.

WhyThatsDelightful · 30/03/2026 22:02

We simply need to vote for politicians that will lock up the rapists, pardon and compensate the victims, and hold the individuals in our institutions responsible for their obstruction to account.

Listen to this podcast to get an insight on what’s been happening from the incredibly brave voice of a survivor.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/553ioTmRvtKZrexBlcEzZE?si=-st8y1sFQCaTFBcS5BQwhA

I do not like what our country has become, this is urgent.

BettyBooper · 30/03/2026 21:40

What people don't get, I think, is an understanding of the dynamics of group sex offences. It is very different to individual sex offences.

For an entire community to engage in and normalise sexual offending is deeply concerning. For our government to sweep it under the carpet is just horrendous.

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nOlives · 30/03/2026 09:56

This is new to me but I can see how it can happen, however surely if the child has had sex she has been raped and so they have a watertight conviction?

Clearly it is the members of the rape gangs that need locked up, and imo till they are no longer a risk to society.