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Labour draws up equality law revamp that will inflict ‘socialism’ on Britain

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IwantToRetire · 29/03/2026 21:38

Sir Keir Starmer’s government is drawing up new statutory guidance that critics say amounts to a “war on the middle class”.

Under the plans, public sector bodies will have a new “socio-economic duty” imposed on them, meaning that all decisions they make must strive to reduce inequality in society.

The policy would lead to benefits claimants and deprived families being prioritised for taxpayer-funded services, with the middle classes pushed to the back of the queue, according to the Conservatives.

The socio-economic duty has been dubbed “Harman’s law” after Baroness Harman, the former Labour deputy leader who originally brought it in as part of the Equality Act in 2010.

It included a clause that required public bodies to “have due regard to the desirability of exercising [their functions] in a way that is designed to reduce the inequalities of outcome which result from socio-economic disadvantage”.

The Tories kept the Act when they won the election later that year, but scrapped the socio-economic element, with Theresa May, then home secretary, describing it as “ridiculous”.

Full article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/29/labour-equality-law-revamp-inflict-socialism-britain/

And at https://archive.is/397ko

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/29/labour-equality-law-revamp-inflict-socialism-britain

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womendeserveequalhumanrights · 30/03/2026 19:29

As far as I can tell the problem with this is not that there will be a lower gap between poorer and middle classes it will be that certain groups of people will be elevated over everyone else and have much nicer, much better, much easier lives. It will be transparently and incredibly unfair.

They'll just be put to the front of the queue because they tick a certain box or boxes - trans being a good example of this in recent years where middle aged blokes have had facial hair treatment paid for whereas naturally hairy woman have not even though arguably the impact on those women's lives is much greater (women are expected to be hair free, TIMs are not).

Another example is that the men who've come into the country illegally and sexually assaulted children have had their defence paid for and often then given a cash gift to leave whilst the children affected got zero support or counselling on the NHS, this dynamic has also happened with the grooming gangs - if you listen to Maggie Oliver on this it's absolutely outrageous what's happened and the lack of support given to these girls who were raped and tortured.

Fairness is already out of the window for many and people will become more and more angry

I don't have any confidence that the current government could organise a piss up in a brewery so the idea they'd be able to pull this off - even assuming good intent - is clearly batshit.

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IwantToRetire · 30/03/2026 18:54

Ramblingnamechanger · 30/03/2026 06:00

Re short of only, there is always money for armaments and privatised projects.

This is not true.

The money now being spent on armaments thanks to Trump dragging us into what could be a never ending area of conflict means that money has been taken from other budgets.

I said in an earlier post that one of the problems the UK has is that it is NOT a thriving economy. There are lots of reasons for this and have built over the decades. We dont grow as much as say Germany and France. We work longer hours but are less productive and have huge debts because of borrowing in the past.

So far prior to Trump madness, to be the budget to balance the UK now contributes less to global schemes that for instance benift women such as medical support for women living with HIV.

And, over the past 20 years (or maybe more) central Government has contributed what amounts to a 40% cut to local councils.

Idiots like Reform shouting nonsense about how they will make cuts probably have never read a financial report in their life.

I am old enought to remember when through a local council you got Adult Education (evening classes) for free. For many whose education experience had not been positive this was a wonderful gateway to not be trapped. Just as there used to be youth clubs etc.. There used to be 1 o'clock clubs (many of which became the first local Women's Liberation groups!) Cottage hospitals where those recuperating could be moved to to free up bed space in hospitals. And ...

And whilst I dont excuse politicians talking through their backsides, we are also to blame by thinking that somehow we (yes us) create enough money that the Government must have enough to do more.

They dont.

We dont want to be told we cant have everything.

And the media bullies politicians into talking total piffle and so decade after decade we have become a poorer country but somehow thinks it can live as though it is a rich country.

And as I said up thread, I think Labour is virtue signalling equality, but is actually hoping to introduce rationing of services.

And lets assume it was, in what way could a Government improve opportunities for those who have less, if they were the focus?

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Floisme · 30/03/2026 16:25

From what I’ve read so far, I might not have any issue with this. However I have so little respect left for the Labour Party that I no longer trust them not try to use this as a cover to sneak in other changes, such as the definition of sex in the Equality Act.

I hold them entirely responsible for my loss of trust and respect.

MaturingCheeseball · 30/03/2026 16:13

If my library is less resourced than one in a deprived area, then that’s fine by me. NHS dentists in poorer areas - all good. (In fact rather than scrapping the two-child benefit cap money should have been pumped into early health intervention.)

What is not fine is making things “personal” - that way madness lies or at least further making work pretty pointless for many.

ScholesPanda · 30/03/2026 16:02

I would broadly support this move and I think the argument that it will mean I couldn't, for e.g., get a hip replacement if I needed one is completely overblown and likely untrue.

It may mean that for e.g. when a review of branch library provision is undertaken, that on socioeconomic grounds a branch in a poorer area scores more 'points' than a branch in a wealthier area. The reality is this is often already the case, and it won't be the only metric taken into account anyway.

It will be quite funny watching people whose normal comeback to anything related to equality is 'what about white working class boys?', now get upset about anything that benefits white working class boys.

SionnachRuadh · 30/03/2026 15:25

GeneralPeter · 30/03/2026 15:19

In that sense, of course they exist.

There’s some motte-and-bailey going on here though (by many trans advocates, if not by you).

Many trans activists see disagreeing with the metaphysical or political beliefs associated with trans ideology as “denying trans people’s existence”. A Canadian tribunal has recently endorsed this view.

So, it’s entirely reasonable to say: if you say that unless I agree with X, Y, Z I am denying trans people’s existence, then, sure, if that’s the standard, I deny their existence.

A parallel: do Indigo Children exist? You know, the ones with additional psychic powers.

I live in an area with a very large Muslim population. I believe my Muslim neighbours exist. I believe they shouldn't be subject to discrimination because of their religion.

I don't believe that Muhammad flew up to heaven on a winged horse.

My Muslim friends and neighbours don't believe I should be cancelled because I don't believe in their story about the winged horse.

This works for me. Perhaps there is a lesson there for the trans community.

GeneralPeter · 30/03/2026 15:19

GlovedhandsCecilia · 30/03/2026 12:27

Trans people exist. Your agreement with them is totally moot. It doesnt matter how you group or define them, a bunch of people exist who feel they were "assigned the wrong sex at birth" etc. They exist. Stop being silly.

In that sense, of course they exist.

There’s some motte-and-bailey going on here though (by many trans advocates, if not by you).

Many trans activists see disagreeing with the metaphysical or political beliefs associated with trans ideology as “denying trans people’s existence”. A Canadian tribunal has recently endorsed this view.

So, it’s entirely reasonable to say: if you say that unless I agree with X, Y, Z I am denying trans people’s existence, then, sure, if that’s the standard, I deny their existence.

A parallel: do Indigo Children exist? You know, the ones with additional psychic powers.

WarriorN · 30/03/2026 15:18

SionnachRuadh · 30/03/2026 14:41

It's not socialism, though, if by socialism you mean empowerment of the working class or levelling privileges. It's really the managerial class accruing more power by means of being the class that distributes the spoils.

It's like one of those Schrodinger's cat thought experiments.

Emily Thornberry thinks that immigration gives a turbo boost to the economy, and open borders are a categorical good with no overheads.

Emily Thornberry also thinks that migrants are so impoverished that they need to be given ILR so they can claim benefits, and it's a bit racist to ask whether this is affordable.

(Important context: the UK government considers relative poverty to be living in a household with less than 60% median income, so many Boriswave migrants - disproportionately low wage and low skill - count as impoverished as soon as they enter the country.)

I swear, if James Buchanan had never existed, we could invent public choice economics from first principles just by observing how Labour politicians operate. If the purpose of a system is what the system does, the purpose of British Social Democracy is to generate enough revenue to allow Labour politicians to buy off client groups.

See also, Bridget Phillipson sitting on the EHRC guidance, which is apparently too complicated to lay before Parliament despite the SC judgment being a model of legal clarity.

Apparently Labour's internal polling is showing that the party stands a good chance of losing every single council seat that it holds in Sunderland, most of them to Reform. Perhaps that might concentrate the mind of Sunderland MP Bridget Phillipson.

It’s an area of high deprivation.

SionnachRuadh · 30/03/2026 14:41

It's not socialism, though, if by socialism you mean empowerment of the working class or levelling privileges. It's really the managerial class accruing more power by means of being the class that distributes the spoils.

It's like one of those Schrodinger's cat thought experiments.

Emily Thornberry thinks that immigration gives a turbo boost to the economy, and open borders are a categorical good with no overheads.

Emily Thornberry also thinks that migrants are so impoverished that they need to be given ILR so they can claim benefits, and it's a bit racist to ask whether this is affordable.

(Important context: the UK government considers relative poverty to be living in a household with less than 60% median income, so many Boriswave migrants - disproportionately low wage and low skill - count as impoverished as soon as they enter the country.)

I swear, if James Buchanan had never existed, we could invent public choice economics from first principles just by observing how Labour politicians operate. If the purpose of a system is what the system does, the purpose of British Social Democracy is to generate enough revenue to allow Labour politicians to buy off client groups.

See also, Bridget Phillipson sitting on the EHRC guidance, which is apparently too complicated to lay before Parliament despite the SC judgment being a model of legal clarity.

Apparently Labour's internal polling is showing that the party stands a good chance of losing every single council seat that it holds in Sunderland, most of them to Reform. Perhaps that might concentrate the mind of Sunderland MP Bridget Phillipson.

StandingDeskDisco · 30/03/2026 14:28

KnottyAuty · 30/03/2026 08:52

This is absolutely what is happening. Educated/middle class women not having children or deferring so the birth rate overall is falling. Except I can see that there are lots of families having children - they are the ones on benefits in social housing. Several of our neighbours are in this situation. They have 6 kids and 3 cars. They’re very good neighbours i should say - but it would be a weird thought that we contribute more to supplement their lifestyle and then would also be behind them in any queue for public services…

I wonder where the threshold will be for deciding on who this applies to because not having to pay a full rent or mortgage and having supplemental benefits on top of income doesn’t immediately equate to a poor lifestyle.

And then I’d say - what public services? Nothing seems to be working anymore. It’s like false advertising. We have institutions like the HSE but if you ever try to report something they say it’s not their jurisdiction. So a lot of things are in name only. Why not just shut all these pointless places down if they don’t do anything. That would save a few quid for the essentials?

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So is a falling birth rate a good thing or a bad thing? Because you seem a little confused on that point.
Or is the problem that the "wrong sort" of women are having children?

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 30/03/2026 14:18

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WarriorN · 30/03/2026 13:40

GlovedhandsCecilia · 30/03/2026 12:35

Trans people exist. Say it to yourself in the mirror. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Keep repeating it until it gets through. Trans people exist. Nothing I say or think can exonerate their existence. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Over and over until it sinks in. They aren't imaginary. They exist and are real. Trans people exist.

this is satire, right?

zurigo · 30/03/2026 13:18

GlovedhandsCecilia · 30/03/2026 12:35

Trans people exist. Say it to yourself in the mirror. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Keep repeating it until it gets through. Trans people exist. Nothing I say or think can exonerate their existence. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Over and over until it sinks in. They aren't imaginary. They exist and are real. Trans people exist.

Mentally ill people who are convinced they are the opposite sex exist.

ElizaMulvil · 30/03/2026 13:17

sesquipedalian · 29/03/2026 22:43

The article states, “In practice, they warn that this could lead to middle-class families being discriminated against when it comes to school places, police resources and hospital and GP appointments.”
So the very people who pay for all this will not be able to avail themselves of state services. What, I wonder, will happen when all those who pay in decide they have had enough, and take their money and talents elsewhere? Already, there is a worrying exodus of young, qualified people. If I were the government, I would be most concerned about the fact that “In the UK, approximately 46.7% of individuals live in households that are net contributors—meaning they pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits—as of the financial year ending (FYE) 2024, according to Office for National Statistics data” - which means more than half live in households that take more than they contribute.

The poorest are working for poverty wages often in grim working conditions. Looking after our old, working in insecure jobs etc. , ensuring the wealthy can make bigger profits.That's how the poorest subsidise the rest of us and in particular the billionaires who avoid tax by offshoring their wealth.
Remember the richest 50 families in the UK own more than the poorest 50 per cent of the population. 34 million people.

zurigo · 30/03/2026 13:16

Right here, in a nutshell, is why so many ambitious, highly qualified, skilled and well-paid people are leaving this country - because they are constantly clobbered by this wretched government and punished for having made a success of their lives.

When you continually reward the net takers while picking the pockets of net contributors you perpetuate a system where it pays to sit at home and not contribute.

GinaWhoLikesADrink · 30/03/2026 13:14

Shedmistress · 30/03/2026 13:03

Reminds me of this

DEFINITELY NOT A CULT 😂

MyAmpleSheep · 30/03/2026 13:10

GlovedhandsCecilia · 30/03/2026 12:35

Trans people exist. Say it to yourself in the mirror. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Keep repeating it until it gets through. Trans people exist. Nothing I say or think can exonerate their existence. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Over and over until it sinks in. They aren't imaginary. They exist and are real. Trans people exist.

exonerate

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Shedmistress · 30/03/2026 13:00

GlovedhandsCecilia · 30/03/2026 12:41

No it's not a cult to admit that trans people exist. Wow.

Your mantras are about a decade too late.

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 12:58

GlovedhandsCecilia · 30/03/2026 12:35

Trans people exist. Say it to yourself in the mirror. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Keep repeating it until it gets through. Trans people exist. Nothing I say or think can exonerate their existence. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Over and over until it sinks in. They aren't imaginary. They exist and are real. Trans people exist.

Ahem not the best example

Shortshriftandlethal · 30/03/2026 12:58

GlovedhandsCecilia · 30/03/2026 12:41

No it's not a cult to admit that trans people exist. Wow.

You are out of your depth here.

DameProfessorIDareSay · 30/03/2026 12:57

GlovedhandsCecilia · 30/03/2026 12:35

Trans people exist. Say it to yourself in the mirror. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Keep repeating it until it gets through. Trans people exist. Nothing I say or think can exonerate their existence. Trans people exist. Trans people exist. Over and over until it sinks in. They aren't imaginary. They exist and are real. Trans people exist.

Be careful everyone, if you do this in front of a mirror then India Willyboy will appear and make himself at home in your car 😁

Shortshriftandlethal · 30/03/2026 12:56

Are you for real?

Nobody here will chant mantras in a display of moronic group think, even if you are happy to. Have you ever read '1984'?

Igneococcus · 30/03/2026 12:55

GlovedhandsCecilia · 30/03/2026 12:27

Trans people exist. Your agreement with them is totally moot. It doesnt matter how you group or define them, a bunch of people exist who feel they were "assigned the wrong sex at birth" etc. They exist. Stop being silly.

If it doesn't matter how we define them why are we told that misgendering is literal violence?