Trans people are more obsessed with JK Rowling then they think she is with them

Look. Trans women are in reality no closer to being women than any other man. They may believe they are, but it's just in their heads.

Why should we accept some sort of middle ground where some men are really women some of the time? It's not true. And it demeans and belittles women to pretend it is.

Acceping men as women, or even pretending to as a kindness, is accepting the reductive idea that being a woman is in part down to thinking or feeling a certain way.

But feelings are not the arbitrer of women's reality. And women's lives and spaces are not resources for the benefit of sad men in need of comfort, no matter how genuinely those men may feel they are entitled to them.

Women deserve to be allowed to exist in our own right and on our own terms without being required to adjust ourselves into the shapes men require us to be. I'm very sad you think so little of women that you do not see that.

Can't cope with the truth

That’s what you’re doing with trans people! Oh good lord. Paint drying would be a more effective use of my time.

What I am going to do this morning, rather than engage with you, is report every single baseless lie you’ve posted. Trans women don’t face male violence? I’m tone policing feminists? I can’t: people like you are the reason jk has no support. Stop telling me what to do or explaining what I’m doing wrongly. You look ridiculous. You’re embarassing jk and feminists

It is odd how a few people believe they can tell the rest of the population what to think, believe and how to act.

Sorry but I am replying as I go along the thread. This is usually how threads go on mumsnet. We don't bulk reply. We reply to individual posts as we go progress through the thread.

There is zero evidence transwomen face any male violence. In fact, transwomen have said they are safe in the mens, the worst they get is a smirk. Two well known transwomen on X have even filmed themselves entering the mens. Nothing. No abuse. Nothing. The fact that even some women cut the womens loo queue and go into the mens confirms this.

Regardless, male on male violence is male on male violence. It doesn't make a male any more or any less susceptible. And women are not human shields for male-on-male violence.

It takes two to beef. Why don't you go and lecture and scold those that hunt out JK and attack her and start the beef, in the first place. Oh, never mind. We know why.

There is no evidence whatsoever they face male violence. The evidence shows they are more likely to dish out violence, than receive any back.

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Per capita, it's a large amount. Women are more safer with 'cis' men than they are with transwomen, sadly. That is what the data clearly proves.

The fact you think womens rights campaigns are 'anti-trans' tells us you ADMIT that being pro-trans is anti-women. Feminists fund womens rights campaigns. That is not a surprise to anyone with room IQ. You are saying a lot when you admit that women having sex based rights is anti-male/anti-trans.

Get back to us when feminists give males and trans identified males rape threats and death threats and threaten to stab, punch and decapitate them and urinate all over feminist statues. Because the violence is all one way, and you know it.

Sorry, but Lily is a predator and no different than Dave. Any male in a female only single sex space knows he is not welcome there. He knows he doesn't belong there. He knows he is violating boundaries. He knows that. He knows it. Yet he puts his self-serving wishes above the needs and rights of those vulnerable and marginalised (for real) females. There is no difference in action and motivation between Dave and Lily.

Nope, the LGB want a divorce and it's now with many groups, officially the LGB now. Nothing else.

Trans people face discrimination.

If you mean positive discrimination, yes. Trans are the crem de la crem (sp?). They are the highest point of the totem pole. The sacred caste which is the most powerful, privileged and protected. Even the 'cis' man is way below them.

Aggressive TRAs march through London, Scotland, etc with signs saying death to terfs, decapitate terfs, the only good terf is a dead terf, while pulling out their penises and urinating - literally - urinating on feminist statues in public.

You think they are not going to be noticed if Rowling's name isn't attached? Aggressive TRAs are in-your-face live on tv in rallies. Even if Rowling was a TRA and not on our side, we'd still notice the violent TRAs.

Yet for a supposed minority group, they have managed in less than 10 to 15 years, get society reorganised, the definition of women changed/removed, men in womens prisons, change rooms and rape crisis centres and battered womens shelters - and nailed rats to the door of battered womens shelters who wouldn't comply and had their funding cut off and the shelter closed, women called menstruators, bleeders, cervix havers, birthing person and 'front hole person' (true, from a 'health' organisation in Canada), managed to get children removed from their parents if their parents won't agree to trans them, girls as young as 13 and 14 having double mastectomies, infiltrated the highest echelons in government, health and education.

Not even gay men had this power, they had to struggle for many decades to get anywhere.

The enormous speed that trans have infiltrated and upturned every single section of society, and it's tenacles reach into every single section and area of society - shows and proves this is a group of ENORMOUS power, privilege and protection. They are the highest of sacred castes. And they could not do it even it weren't driven by the patriarchy.

There is no group at the highest level of the totem pole, no group more celebrated, more powerful, more privileged, more protected, than trans. They are the most powerful of sacred castes. So lets cut this 'minority', 'marginalised' bs. They are THE single most powerful - and successful - lobby group in history!

No, you are the one being offensive trying to gaslit an oppressed sex to allow our oppressors to appropriate our oppression. An oppressor deserves zero respect. It damages and HARMS women by demanding we mis-sex men. It causes IMMENSE damage and harm. When you ask the oppressed to mis-sex our oppressor to cosplay, you cause immense damage and harm. You've never truly, deeply and genuinely thought about this, have you? Defending men's demands appears to be your default setting. I suggest you read Pronouns are Rohypnol • Fair Play For Women to understand the harm and damage you are causing.

The point is, a male putting on a dress does not change Male Pattern behaviour. You want to think a male's WORD should be taken. Yeah well us women all know all too well from civilisation how 'wise' it is to take men at their word.

Please tell me how I’m tone policing?

You want JK to sit there, take their attacks and death and rape threats, and not defend herself.

Even more than that, you don't want her to talk about the topic, at...all.

The issue of the conflict between womens rights and trans rights is very much a live issue and will remain so for a long time, with our without JK Rowling adding
anything.

How would it have "died a quiet death years ago"? There is still FWS vs Scotland, Sandie Peggie, etc etc. Now the IOC. Sports. Without Rowling this issue is not ever going away any time soon.

Why the f should women always be the 'bigger person'? Why?