Trans people are more obsessed with JK Rowling then they think she is with them

Its exactly the same as gay people who took the slur 'queer' and owned it.

Yes it’s quite offensive to trans people. It makes them feel uncomfortable and like you don’t like them. It’s just like why even do it? You’re immediately announcing you don’t like someone else or believe the same thing as them. It might have meant something different in the beginning but now it means someone anti trans. Which in itself is controversial.
idk for a normal person not beloved by the lgbtia+ community probably not. For someone like her yes it’s controversial

If you've got nothing on the woman you want to trash, make shit up or tone police her. Then complain that other women aren't listening to your oh so reasonable point of view.

You think that’s controversial?!

You've not just hatched from an actual chrysalis right?

Called herself a terf. Why even engage with that language? Why even give them an excuse?

What ‘controversial’ stuff has she done?

I’d like her to talk about lots of things instead of doing controversial stuff she knows pisses lots of people off. I just think she’s better than that. Like I respect her like I said and I think on the whole she’s wonderful but she annoys me.

Would you rather she say nothing and there be no single sex females rape centres, men in womens prisons, women arrested for calling a man a man? Are they not real issues?

@TheCozyWyvern - I didn't know Sanderson was a Mormon! Orson Scott Card was as well, I think, and the Maze Runner author. I just finished The Mistborn series and enjoyed it.

Funny that they are all post-apocalyptic authors.

(Sorry for the brief derail)

i think calling yourself a terf is baiting but you know that’s my opinion

I try but I don’t have her platform. I repost Epstein voices all the time. I advocate to people I know. I work in this area and so much work is needed but people don’t have her platform or litigation fund to say what needs to be said.
she doesn’t have to. I’m just saying what I wish she would do and why she annoys me. She baits them, they use it to gain more attention for a cause that deflects from the real issue and makes her look worse. I don’t think it’s funny or clever to go after a minority group when there’s the majority group that need people like her going after them more.
but that’s my opinion. You don’t have to agree with me

@butterfly231 She doesn’t bait TRAs.

She doesn’t claim to speak for you.

She does more for women and children than any of us could ever dream of.

Honestly I think we could give you a thousand examples or her doing exactly what you claim she doesn’t do and you still would not change your position on her.

This is all about your inability to update mental models you have about people where there is tonnes of evidence that contradicts your belief than it has anything to do with JRK.

Was her disclosing her own domestic violence situation not raising awareness? Is her campaigning for single sex refuges not helping victims of domestic violence?

"Misgendering" means accurately acknowledging their sex. As GC feminists we reject the concept of gender identity. There is nothing wrong with using sex-specific language.

Men who adopt trans identities are men in dresses (although sometimes other attire). Sex in law relates to biological sex, not a legal fiction.

The trouble with allowing men with trans identities into the single sex spaces for women and girls is that, by their very presence they make it a mixed sex space. And at that point, any man can and does enter. Look at the high profile cases of sexual predators claiming to be transwomen in the last few years.

Why should she? Do you?

Amplify Epstein voices? Redirect to other issues? Ignore the haters? Raise dv awareness so that when a woman discloses she is believed? Idk anything but baiting tras?

I think it's some sort of misogynistic bias. The reason? Men with the same views or ones that I qualify as truly anti trans existence don't get as much hate. Elon Musk despite being a true danger who disowned his kid publicly for clout has even been praised by the community for one tweet telling JK Rowling to be more positive with tweets (it was just him being misogynistic with a borderline "you should smile more" response since he was fine with men being "negative" in posts). Lundy Bancroft has the exact same views as JKR and yet gets the "he's a valuable resource" treatment from transpeople online and trans allies (he also has allegations of using his power to date patients which is gross but that's another topic). Brandon Sanderson is a member of the LDS church which has strict rules about trans members that basically don't validate their identities and as a member he pay tithing (which is required) so therefore is supporting those rules despite his own views and is beloved by many trans readers. Blizzard Studios despite having trans characters is infamous for their former CEO having shell companies to donate to politicians and groups that were far from trans friendly (other heads in the company same thing- also other horrific abuse allegations that are some of the most disturbing in the gaming industry but that's another topic) yet Overwatch and WOW are still popular with trans gamers.
It's weird (sorry I went overboard with examples).

Butterfly, she's written and spoken extensively on other topics, particularly vulnerable children in care - just look at the work her charity Lumos does to help children around the world.

Or that she paid the accommodation and living costs of those 103 Afghan female judges plus their families who were evacuated when the Taliban took power, which saved their lives. It was over £700,000, and she did it quietly. One of the other people involved spoke about it several months later.

The media ignores everything she says and does unless it relates to trans issues or women's rights. Then they are all over it in a tabloid feeding frenzy.

She set up Beiras Place to support female rape victims and was called transphobic for doing so.

She funds the Lumos charity which helps children

She funds an MS charity

She helps women I'm Afghanistan

She wrote an essay on her own experiences of sexual assaults

She occasionally writes novels

What else do you want her to do?

Well speaking for myself I don’t agree I think this has been an era defining issue.

This lefts position on trans rights was a huge part in why Donald Trump won a second US election, so pretending it is niche is not really facing up to just how out of hand the whole trans issue had become.

I would much rather hear the views of left leaning woman like JKR who had significant issues with how the left were ignoring at best and giving away at worst women’s hard fought rights than hear the right leaning views on the issue. She has been thoughtful, measured and very fair in her delivery of essays on this topic and she was absolutely instrumental in the turn around we are witnessing now from the SC ruling to the IOC ruling in this last year.

Idk she just seems to have chosen this hill to die on and I wish it had been protecting child sexual abuse victims instead. I just think she didn’t deserve the hate she got but she didn’t need to engage with it so much either. I just wish she’d use her platform more widely. The tras are using her to amplify their voices. The more she engages with this and defends against it the more fuel it gets. I just would love to see essays from her on society’s reactions to sexual abuse or something. If she’s written that I stand corrected but she’s so eloquent like I said and people will read her.

Butterfly google her charity and maybe you will see that she does much more than speak for vulnerable women. Her money is firmly where her mouth is.

You are projecting if you think she claims to speak for all women. She has never claimed that. Women have all sorts of diverse opinions. I would say a large majority of gender critical women agree with what she has said though.

Jk is a wonderful woman who I respect deeply and empathise but she has this annoying habit of acting like she’s speaking for absolutely everyone. If she was just a bit less focused on one minority group vs systemic issues women face (such as having to be frightened of men in women’s spaces in the first place) she’d have a lot of support. I don’t think understandably she ever got over Porto (who would that vulnerable and pp) and when she used her experience to talk about it again she was threatened by extreme tras who were missing the wider point. She is so eloquent. Imagine if she spoke for sexual abuse victims or dv as much as this. It’s far more widespread.

I feel that this argument was already dealt with 40 years ago