Trans people are more obsessed with JK Rowling then they think she is with them

Ok so for me
Mean - kind of unwilling to use it
deliberately pissing off people who also face male violence and would totally believe her? Not the smartest move Jo, no.
but that’s just me

Ok so for me
Mean - kind of unwilling to use it
deliberately pissing off people who also face male violence and would totally believe her? Not the smartest move Jo, no.
but that’s just me

So it was OK for JKR to use her platform to raise the issue of male rapists in womens prisons or was that her just being mean

I also can't believe the number of trans allies that suggest putting trans prisoners in solitary confinement

So, this really is a Bananarama argument.

ETA- a Bananarama argument from Butterfly.

0 and if they’re not safe in male then they need to be in solitary. I am the first speak up about female only spaces. A huge issue I think is balancing the needs of different marginalised groups without one overtaking the other. I believe in doing this without
abusing trans people or baiting them. There is a way believe it or not

a very small minority. It’s like using terrorists to make Islamaphobic comments. That’s why people find this so controversial and difficult

That's not an answer. How many male rapists would you tolerate in womens prisons before you spoke up about it?

I think my love of jkr would upset most trans women for reasons another poster has listed above

How many male rapists in womens prison are you willing to tolerate to avoid saying anything that might upset transwomen

a very small minority. It’s like using terrorists to make Islamaphobic comments. That’s why people find this so controversial and difficult

Some of those men raping women say they are transwomen and were being housed in womens prisons.

I agree with the capitalism argument to a point but I also think some people has a high tolerance for drama and confrontation and that’s how they distinguish themselves and get power.

They create a victimised political environment were regulators are backed into a corner gives these organisations the power to be the definors and then the police of these issues. I saw it with the women’s stuff after #metoo

We are now at a place (again) where men are the ones defining women and controlling the access to women’s spaces.

Not really. It’s how people work. I have no problem with her rocking the boat. I have a problem with who she’s pissing off when she does it because it’s focusing on people who are not actually the problem.
the problem is men who rape women. Why go after a group that faces discrimination when you’ve got people like trump or Putin who could really benefit from her baiting?

Your generalisations are weakening your points.

Harriet Harmon didn't want to rock the boat. Sometimes, moderate people need to be brave and say 'this is wrong' even if it does rock the boat.

"The Gay Liberation Front was very radical. At that time Harman and Patricia Hewitt couldn't just kick out PIE. Well, they could, I suppose, try, but they didn't even try. And the reason they didn't try is that they didn't want to rock the boat because their careers within NCCL depended on them not rocking the boat too much."
https://archive.ph/Prrlt#selection-1035.0-1035.327

Idk if it’s just capitalism in general. You make so much money from constantly offering surgery, hormones, medication, specialist clothing and shoes etc. like I said, Machiavelli. If you can appear virtuous while doing bad things, you can justify anything. We need people like jkr to question but imho attacking any marginalised group is just going to attract controversy and lose moderate supporters.

Awww I’ll take that award any day thank you 🏅

It's strange, isn't it? They really can't keep her name out of their mouths. Very baffling.

I’m making generalisations that prove my point. No they’re not all equal. But it happens when people talk about immigrants too. Racism pops up and people can’t have intelligent debates. Moderate people switch off from fear of offending. JK has better ways to get her point across imo

Mostly, JKR "attacks" the likes of dear India, armed solely with her wit.

I do think she is sometimes a little cruel, given that she is so much sharper-witted than India. She possibly enjoys battles of wit a little too much. But India, and others like him, do keep asking for her attention despite previous experience. Given that I don't know anyone who is perfect, I'm not convinced that JKR deserves criticism any more than the next man.

BlueSky is the winner for being 'open-minded and polite', surely?

Right but my argument isn’t about this: it’s about what jkr achieves by attacking people like Lily when most people know someone like this and love them deeply.
talk about that. Talk about why there needs to be more studies in mental health and trans youths. Look at studies about retransiitioning. share about sexism and pathologised trauma responses and peer influence and how it impacts everyone. But don’t go and bait tras who aren’t actually helping anyone and benefit off your platform.
Because then you see how this takes attention off Jkr’s cause (protecting women and girls) and instead gives more airtime to an issue which isn’t serving that?

'... attacking any marginalised group is just going to attract controversy and lose moderate supporters.'

Not all marginalised groups are equal. I think that your phrasing of 'any marginalised group' is too broad and not specific enough.