Disappointed at Andrew Garfield remarks about JKR

And that's why we know that the men in frocks are definitely still men, and everyone knows it. because all the other men queue up to support them and denigrate women. Its ALWAYS 'bros before h*s' isn't. The baseline of patriarchy, always back the men. Pathetic.

Anyway, OP, no idea who this man is, but I'm learning to be less surprised by venality, cowardice, and moral flexibility.

Imane Khelif is a man. He has a DSD.

ooooh brilliant - I'm so pleased for you! You know that there's a prize of a £1 million for anyone who can find evidence of JKR transphobia! I'm sure you have full receipts for these claims - you know actual quotes from JKR in a full opinion piece or conversation not clipped 3 words

IK is a man who punched women all the way to a gold medal. No woman from
a conservative Islamic country would allow themselves ti be paraded around on the shoulders of their male coaches. Of he's so sure he's a woman he'd publish the results of his medical tests but he's a man so he won't

but you know all this

I could say plenty of nasty things about the appearance of say, Posie Parker, or Julie Bindel, or even JKR these days, but I wouldn't, even if I did not agree with them.

You just did. Did you honestly think this comment chastising someone for insulting looks and in the next breath doing the exact same thing but in a snidey, sneaky way, made you look like the better person?

Really disappointing, clearly AG is not a critical thinker. Would love to see him try to explain what exactly JKR has said that he disagrees with…

He's chanting the approved mantras. Others include - 'TWAW', 'most vulnerable and oppressed' and 'they just want to peeee!'

He either 1) chants the mantras without having actually put much thought into it outwith 'be kind' or 2) really doesn't give much of a fuck about women's rights and has latched onto the mantras and slagging off successful women as a useful vehicle for his misogyny.

All those socially approved headpats must be like catnip for him.

So you're okay with the very blatant homophobia in that post? Okay.

JK Rowling is a bully and a disgrace. Complaining about individual trans women having jobs, calling having basic respect for trans people a "moral injury" and labelling Imane Khelif (a woman raised in a deeply conservative country, working class and proud).a man who enjoys punching women, is not feminism.

Transphobia makes no woman safer, guards no 'safe space' (spoiler: safe spaces don't exist, sex offenders go where they want) and only makes life unbearably violent for trans people. But then, that's the point.

Well it's just men supporting other men isn't it - to hell with women and their rights. I am not widely fond of drag queens either. A woman puts her hair in braids and is accused of cultural appropriation. A man puts on makeup and a dress, uses a sexualised female name and he is a hero and brave. All form of misogynistic behaviour and double standards.

goodness me the people who can't tell the difference between men and women are up early today

anyway spiders I think this nails it "As with most people, I suspect if Garfield was asked to discuss JKR’s views and the trans issue in detail, he wouldn’t be able to."

of course he can't, and neither can the journalists asking the questions. They just want ti nod along as evidence they are the kind ppl in the room. The sort of kind ppl who are utterly clueless about how their kindness hands over women and girls stuff to men and boys.

Also well done on the none-too-subtle homophobia. You really didn't disguise it very well.

Howling at "gay-gay" and "rainbow-adjacent" btw. Are you twelve?

Can I just say-say, this is incredibly funny.

It's really simple: Andrew Garfield doesn't like people who obsess about, are cruel to and promote weird theories about trans people. And most people agree with him. That's all there is to it.

But your 'analysis' is hilarious, well done. Needed that.

I think you’re right Spiders, that a lot of men ‘don’t know what they don’t know’. But it’s the reason for that that infuriates me - if they’d just listen to women (or actually read JKR’s essay explaining her stance), then maybe they’d at least know that there are things they don’t know from women’s perspective.

I try really hard to play devil’s advocate with myself, especially when it’s someone who’s always seemed pretty decent.

I wonder if it’s simply a case of he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know? Lots of us are guilty of living in an echo chamber to some degree. So he’s heard the furore about JKR, maybe he’s heard that she’s a transphobe from people he’s knows and trusts. And he doesn’t look further than that, he just accepts it as fact….

I also think that most men don’t really understand why it’s like to be a woman or how different our lives really are. Lots of men don’t truly understand the less explicit issues because they’ve never had to consider those things. As I said, they don’t know what they don’t know….

Added to that you’ve got Garfield moving in the entertainment industry where #BeKind is paramount. I genuinely think that there are many men who simply can’t grasp that by being kind and inclusive to trans individuals, it’s being unkind and excluding women.

I’m sure there’s more than a streak of misogyny, albeit unconscious, but I think there are some men who believe they are an ally to women who just don’t get it.

As with most people, I suspect if Garfield was asked to discuss JKR’s views and the trans issue in detail, he wouldn’t be able to.

Having said all of that, Garfield has gone down in my estimation massively now. Such a disappointment.

It makes sense knowing this. Incredibly disappointing nonetheless.

”even if he isn't actully gay-gay”

This is a bonkers statement and just makes me doubt the sincerity of your whole post.

His ex girlfriend Dr. Kate Tomas used to be married to a trans or non binary person. She also identifies as queer. I find this genuinely confusing, years ago queer meant gay.

So his stand on JKR is not surprising, although very disappointing.

but so many women agree with the trans (gender identity) stuff, perhaps even more than men do. -_- i've definitely heard it said for instance, in interviews (like with Jamie Reed who used to actually work with these issues before becoming a whistleblower) that it was the mothers who were more for their children becoming trans, and the fathers questioned more.

I was saddened because I think he's a remarkable actor and a thoughtful man. He's extremely talented and nuanced.
Such a shame he can't consider what Rowling's advocacy means to women.

Being able to speak well and use big words is often mistaken as a sign of intelligence.

It's not.

Incredibly immature and unnecessary response. Rather ironice that you are saying he should "grow up". His appearance is irrelevant (though many find him attractive). When you resort to insulting somebody's appearance, you've effectively lost the argument, and it only reflects negatively on you.

In any case, Garfield is an actor, not a model. He gets regular work because he is generally considered a very good actor.

I could say plenty of nasty things about the appearance of say, Posie Parker, or Julie Bindel, or even JKR these days, but I wouldn't, even if I did not agree with them.

Sadly, a lot of women on this board really show themselves up whenever anyone criticises JKR.