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Disappointed at Andrew Garfield remarks about JKR

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2021x · 28/03/2026 22:44

In recent press for the Magic Faraway Tree, Andrew Garfield was trying to make the point that people who worked on HP projects should be respected for their art. He refused to use JKR name, and called her "she should remain nameless".

This for some reason has hit me a bit harder than I thought it would, and I am confused as to why. His PR is very rainbow-adjacent i.e. does Drag-race. He has always has picked "sensitive-man roles" that appeal to men rather than women. So even if he isn't actully gay-gay, he obviously much prefers the company of men- even when they are dressed as women. So there really is no reason for me to think that he actually cares about women and their safety and dignity at all.

Maybe because we are the same-ish age and similar cultural backgrounds that I thought he would have seen through all the misogynist bullshit. I think its fine to say you disagree with JKR but to demonise her to the same level as Voldemort... seems a bit.. culty?

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Kimura · 29/03/2026 11:33

2021x · 29/03/2026 08:40

But she hasn't been cruel or promoted wierd theories.

She has said very clearly that she respects adults to live their lives how they choose but doesn't think that women shouldn't be sacked for saying that sex is real and that single sex spaces and sports should stay single sex. Which she was vindicated in when the Supreme Court clarified the ERA last year.

AG is of course able to disagree with her - maybe he thinks that men don't pose a threat to females in single spaces, maybe he thinks it is fine to sack someone to say that sex is reality and can't be changed, but say that. Don't be weasily about it and repeat boring talking points.

I honestly thought he was a bit more mature than the whole thing, and disappointed to find out that he just parrots the same propaganda.

AG is of course able to disagree with her - maybe he thinks that men don't pose a threat to females in single spaces, maybe he thinks it is fine to sack someone to say that sex is reality and can't be changed, but say that. Don't be weasily about it and repeat boring talking points

I don't really blame him for not going into detail on his stance when he was doing a radio spot to plug a film. I expect he realized he'd put his foot in it and tried to get off the subject as quickly as possible with his pithy remark.

He'd have been better off saying nothing at all. To give him credit, he only brought Harry Potter up in the context of saying people shouldn't boycott it because they don't agree with JKR's views.

But we're at the point where actors can't mention one of the biggest media franchises of the last 30 years without feeling like they have to weigh in on this debate, only for any little aside they make to be regurgitated into a thousand headlines.

Onebattleafteramother · 29/03/2026 11:32

Plasticchesse · 29/03/2026 09:12

Is the context for these comments the fact he is in the far away tree. That’s Enid blyton isn’t it? Who has had to have her books edited to be acceptable these days as they were originally racist. So that’s what led him to these comments. I’m just wondering if I’m missing a nuance or context having not seen the actual interview?

Not needing to get into a debate about blyton but she is definitely cancellable .

So this is a tangent, but the interviews for promo of the movie were a bit cringy, the actors were explaining why EB hadn't been cancelled. But not very successfully. "Things change over time" etc

Cailleach1 · 29/03/2026 11:24

Also, for those saying that if males were mistaken for females in places where there is little medical provision, then they are female really. Despite knowing they are males whose sexual organs don’t appear normal at birth. A flawed man is a woman apparently. Woman little more than a miscellaneous category of flawed human beings.

That is like saying that people with epilepsy who were thought to be possessed by demons, were still really possessed by demons despite medical advancement showing they suffer from a medical condition - abnormal electrical activity in their brain.

Bobbymoore123 · 29/03/2026 11:24

All of these "very intelligent" and "highly articulate" people are always so pro-trans... It's such a shock each and every time.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/03/2026 11:22

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2026 10:04

I mean this is a lot about your personal feelings. I suggest listening to people with other experiences, and looking at data.

Exactly. I do not as a female person understand why some people's sexist and often sexualised ideas about feeling "like a woman", looking "like a woman" or acting "like a woman" have somehow become the actual measure of being a woman.

It is so fucking sexist and reductive of the incredible diversity of the female half of the species, and so fucking dismissive of the real reasons women have ended up in a position where from time to time we still need spaces, language, groups and opportunities that are female-only

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/03/2026 11:16

Lemonthyme · 29/03/2026 09:36

I will gracefully bow out. As I can see this is just getting nasty.

Yes, it is nasty to decide that half of humanity has no right to name itself, define itself, tell its own stories of oppression and success, and have spaces and rights that exclude the other half to mitigate the risks, abuse and marginalisation that other half from time to time have imposed on them, simply to accomdate some people's sexist and disordered projections about what sort of mind belongs to "men" or "women".

Cailleach1 · 29/03/2026 11:13

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2026 10:03

I shared a loo with a transwoman. He followed me in. I came out to find him masturbating against the sink.

Ugh, and it seems such perverts (or poor vulnerable sweetiepies) are now being lauded. Now women have to deal with creepy males doing these things everywhere. There is no refuge anywhere in public spaces, or services. Maybe that is by design of these men and their cheerleaders. Or at least without any concern whatsoever for women and girls.

I was just thinking about a miscarriage I had at work. I can’t even imagine having to deal with creepy men in the toilet as I discovered I was bleeding. Now of course they’d be able to put those camera’s under the partitions and doors.

And, there are women advocating for them to be in a position of such proximity from which they can carry out their fetishes.

ItsCoolForCats · 29/03/2026 11:07

Lemonthyme · 29/03/2026 09:34

I was at a theatre recently where there were mixed gender toilets. Even as a victim of rape at the hands of three different men, in no way did I feel vulnerable. It was quite funny watching men have to queue for the first time in their lives though.

Thing is, not all trans women are physically imposing in any way. Many very much are not. You will have shared a public toilet with a trans woman and not known. What is your solution then to ensuring only cis women use them?

I'm glad that your experiences have not made it difficult for you to use mixed sex spaces. Do you have empathy for women whose trauma has made this extremely difficult for them, women like Michelle Thompson?

https://x.com/i/status/1968370305325506914

Andrew Learmonth (@andrewlearmonth) on X

SNP MSP Michelle Thomson has accused the Scottish Government of repeatedly re-traumatising survivors of sexual violence by dragging its feet on implementing the For Women Scotland Supreme Court ruling. https://t.co/TQunFWXWca

https://x.com/i/status/1968370305325506914

ItsCoolForCats · 29/03/2026 10:49

SpidersAreShitheads · 29/03/2026 07:11

I try really hard to play devil’s advocate with myself, especially when it’s someone who’s always seemed pretty decent.

I wonder if it’s simply a case of he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know? Lots of us are guilty of living in an echo chamber to some degree. So he’s heard the furore about JKR, maybe he’s heard that she’s a transphobe from people he’s knows and trusts. And he doesn’t look further than that, he just accepts it as fact….

I also think that most men don’t really understand why it’s like to be a woman or how different our lives really are. Lots of men don’t truly understand the less explicit issues because they’ve never had to consider those things. As I said, they don’t know what they don’t know….

Added to that you’ve got Garfield moving in the entertainment industry where #BeKind is paramount. I genuinely think that there are many men who simply can’t grasp that by being kind and inclusive to trans individuals, it’s being unkind and excluding women.

I’m sure there’s more than a streak of misogyny, albeit unconscious, but I think there are some men who believe they are an ally to women who just don’t get it.

As with most people, I suspect if Garfield was asked to discuss JKR’s views and the trans issue in detail, he wouldn’t be able to.

Having said all of that, Garfield has gone down in my estimation massively now. Such a disappointment.

Yes, I agree. I saw a clip of Chris Packham being interviewed by Andrew Gold. Andrew Gold asked him about the trans issue in relation to BBC's output. Chris Packham was clearly uncomfortable about being asked this question and said he doesn't have experience of it, but then he went off on a monologue about being kind. And I thought, "great,.another bloody man who has no idea what women are being asked to give up, who thinks this could all be solved if we were a bit kinder. Fuck off".

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2026 10:08

Waitwhat23 · 29/03/2026 09:07

Ooh, there's the patronising condescension right from the misogynist's playbook!

Sweetheart. Just can't help themselves.

Telling, isn't it.

But also another helpful illustration.

Charlize43 · 29/03/2026 10:08

I've never liked his long neck. I'm sorry, but that's just how it is.

He needs to wind his neck in!

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2026 10:06

2021x · 29/03/2026 10:04

Grim... sorry you had to experience that.

Thank you. It is irritating to be lectured on the subject of how I ought to feel about sharing loos with transwomen when I have had this experience.

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2026 10:04

Lemonthyme · 29/03/2026 09:19

I listened to a really interesting podcast about JKR a while back. I think it was called "the witch trials of JK Rowling".

What I got out of it was how little nuance and grey there is in all this on all "sides" and I include JKR in that.

I think it's ok for there to be nuance and some things you're ok with and others your not.

It bothers me not in the slightest for example if someone who is trans and presents as female to use a female toilet. For starters, just think of the bloody practicality of it all? If you look like a woman but happen to have male genitalia, who will know? Nobody that's who. It would be far more "weird" for someone who looks like a woman using a men's loo and also probably far more of a safety issue than the other way round. The hoo ha about it all I find kind of ridiculous. You don't think trans women have been using female toilets for years?

But when it comes to sport, yeah I do get the concerns. You have so many physical advantages being a man or many of us would not have been victimised by a man or men in our lives. Men tend to be taller, have lower body fat, more muscle, different bone structure and no periods or hormone roller coasters. Not all of that is lost even if you then take drugs to make your hormone levels closer to women. It was bonkers that was ever accepted.

Kids? Yeah I have concerns about what was going on with giving drugs to prepubescent kids. I think that's fair but it's also complicated, and not something I have direct experience with so it's fair for me to let others talk who do.

I could not give a crap if diversity targets to include women also include trans women. You can bet they're more discriminated against than most and what matters, e.g. on boards for example, to me is how many visible women there are. It matters not a jot to me if those women were born as such or not.

Changing rooms? Shared changing rooms just need to go anyway. I know it's sidestepping the issue but wtf have shared rooms nowadays for safety and privacy reasons. That is the obvious solution or if not needed, remove them. Ask people to change at home. (Even in covid, medical staff were doing this which in some ways is just so bad for hygiene but that's another thread.)

The one place I get pretty black and white about it all though is prisons and refuges. Look, any trans woman who has had an op to change their genatalia to match womens, I have no problem with being in a female prison or refuge and this is not actually a thing against trans either because this is more protection against the idiots who try to pretend to be trans. And let's face it, it's happened. I do understand trans people who choose not to go through operations which could leave them unable to feel pleasure in the future in that way, but there is a wider safety issue here and, to my mind, a square that cannot be circled. By allowing the rights of a minority, you put at risk the rights of a larger group. And sadly the case of Isla Bryson cannot now be ignored.

But the last issue makes me feel really sad. Because I'm also not blind to the fact that there is a protection issue too for trans women who are often subject to as much if not more violence as women. The sh*y thing is it's often cis men who make this all a problem for both cis and trans women.

I mean this is a lot about your personal feelings. I suggest listening to people with other experiences, and looking at data.

2021x · 29/03/2026 10:04

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2026 10:03

I shared a loo with a transwoman. He followed me in. I came out to find him masturbating against the sink.

Grim... sorry you had to experience that.

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loislovesstewie · 29/03/2026 10:03

I find it deeply troubling that some think that it was OK to allow Khelif into a boxing ring to batter a female opponent. The woman could have suffered an horrendous injury in those boxing matches. If any of us saw that on the street, we would be horrified. And take the appropriate action. But, instead we are supposed to show sympathy for the man who has got into the ring, knowing he was male. What about his opponent? What does that tell her?

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2026 10:03

Lemonthyme · 29/03/2026 09:34

I was at a theatre recently where there were mixed gender toilets. Even as a victim of rape at the hands of three different men, in no way did I feel vulnerable. It was quite funny watching men have to queue for the first time in their lives though.

Thing is, not all trans women are physically imposing in any way. Many very much are not. You will have shared a public toilet with a trans woman and not known. What is your solution then to ensuring only cis women use them?

I shared a loo with a transwoman. He followed me in. I came out to find him masturbating against the sink.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 29/03/2026 09:56

Lemonthyme · 29/03/2026 09:31

I think with DSD, it's comments like this which get really unhelpful. And also, as I explained, conflating it with trans is unhelpful too.

Outwardly she will look female. With female genitalia. This page might be useful to learn more.

Differences in sex development - NHS

When she started boxing she probably had no idea she had a Y chromosome. And at the time when she was able to box, she was allowed to by most governing bodies including the IOC.

She is a she. She's been called a girl since birth. At no point has she changed her identity. At some point she will have found out that due to an abnormality, she is genetically male.

To call her "he" starts getting into areas I do think are discriminatory and for nothing helpful.

Whether she or other women with DSD which confers higher testosterone levels or some benefits of that Y chromosome should compete in Olympic sport? No I don't think they should. But it doesn't mean I have to be mean about her nor say some of the things JKR has. Having a difference of opinion doesn't mean you have to be cruel about it.

I am a retired NHS consultant. Don’t try & teach your Granny to suck eggs.
The DSD he has means he went through male puberty. He has a penis. At birth his genitals were ambivalent. In any developed country he would have been identified as a male immediately after birth by examination of his chromosomes. The popular name for this DSD is “ Penis at age twelve”.
He & his team have known perfectly well that he is a male all along but used the fact he had a female passport as a way to cheat his way to a gold medal.

zehrkyBerlun · 29/03/2026 09:42

Lemonthyme · 29/03/2026 09:34

I was at a theatre recently where there were mixed gender toilets. Even as a victim of rape at the hands of three different men, in no way did I feel vulnerable. It was quite funny watching men have to queue for the first time in their lives though.

Thing is, not all trans women are physically imposing in any way. Many very much are not. You will have shared a public toilet with a trans woman and not known. What is your solution then to ensuring only cis women use them?

Sorry to hear that you've endured rape - no-one should have to go through that.

  1. Women have the right to single sex spaces. Whether they've had a sexual assault (like you and me) or haven't, they have a right to say no to men in women's spaces.
  2. Whether I've been in a single sex space with a man and not known because I haven't seen him, does not negate my right tona single sex space. When I have been in women's loos with men and seen them, I'm on edge. He can be 5'5" or 6'4" - it doesn't matter. It's a different vibe.
  3. Good people don't transgress boundaries. It's not up to women to take on the burden of ensuring single sex spaces. Entitled men will continue to try to use them and they should face sanction.
  4. Have you got help for your internalised misogyny? (Read your post through)
Waitwhat23 · 29/03/2026 09:41

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 29/03/2026 09:39

Struggling to understand how a man going through male puberty is somehow less threatening or somehow indistinguishable from a woman if he grows his hair and puts on a dress

the musco skeletal structure of men and women is completely different from shoulder angle to pelvic girdle to jaw line

why are so many women desperate to be kind and more worried about TW wellbeing than that of actual women

loislovesstewie · 29/03/2026 09:38

2 points
I was sexually assaulted, I feel vulnerable being in enclosed spaces with men.
Khelif has admitted that he has XY chromosomes.

ThePoshUns · 29/03/2026 09:38

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 29/03/2026 08:49

So you're okay with the very blatant homophobia in that post? Okay.

JK Rowling is a bully and a disgrace. Complaining about individual trans women having jobs, calling having basic respect for trans people a "moral injury" and labelling Imane Khelif (a woman raised in a deeply conservative country, working class and proud).a man who enjoys punching women, is not feminism.

Transphobia makes no woman safer, guards no 'safe space' (spoiler: safe spaces don't exist, sex offenders go where they want) and only makes life unbearably violent for trans people. But then, that's the point.

Iman Khelif is a man

2021x · 29/03/2026 09:38

Lemonthyme · 29/03/2026 09:34

I was at a theatre recently where there were mixed gender toilets. Even as a victim of rape at the hands of three different men, in no way did I feel vulnerable. It was quite funny watching men have to queue for the first time in their lives though.

Thing is, not all trans women are physically imposing in any way. Many very much are not. You will have shared a public toilet with a trans woman and not known. What is your solution then to ensuring only cis women use them?

That is your experience. You cannot give consent on behalf of all other women.

I am fortunate to have not been a victim of rape and I feel uncomfortable if there are males in an enclosed private space with me.

All transwomen will have a significantly higher upper body strength than all women. They are very easy to spot once you see their hands.

The only way to keep all women safe as much as possible is to keep the female toilets female only.

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Lemonthyme · 29/03/2026 09:36

I will gracefully bow out. As I can see this is just getting nasty.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/03/2026 09:36

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 29/03/2026 09:04

Islamophobia isn't argument, sweetheart.

Nor is misogyny (Khelif is a woman) or transphobia, or homophobia.

I know, Mumsnet wouldn't function without them though.

Hey, why not add some ableist comments about autistic people and complete the set?

Have a great day now.

Define "woman".

And if it's anything other than "adult human [biological] female":

  1. explain why "women" should nevertheless be treated as interchangeable with people who are adult human biological female for the purposes of privacy, safety, identity, culture, and in the case of Kelif, hitting them really really fucking hard.
  2. explain people who are adult human biological female should not be allowed to define themselves, name themselves and agitate for their own rights and identity and to tell their own stories about their own reality separate to these "women"?