Disappointed at Andrew Garfield remarks about JKR

I saw this interview and my heart sank as I was looking forward to taking the kids to it, but I don’t really want to watch it knowing what a smug know-it-all he was in that interview. It’s me who’ll be organising the cinema trip, and I can’t be bothered now, the shine has gone off it. Stupid to comment so patronisingly like that at a promo interview for a film aimed at British families. Most cinema going over the Easter hols will be organised by British women, and they are generally not in favour of gender ideology and certainly not in favour of over-privileged, over-opinionated, self satisfied men.

It has been confirmed. Lab reports have been published. Even Khelif has confirmed he has a Y chromosome.

If he had CAIS he wouldn't need to reduce his testosterone

Khelif is confirmed to have 5ard.

This has not been confirmed. At this stage it's just speculation.

I'll never understand the out pouring of sympathy for cheating men like Khelif, but never a mention of the women he punched, the women he denied an Olympic place to, the women he took Olympic medals from.

Is it just because he's a man and people are programmed to care about men more?

We have to stop listening to actors. Most of them are thick as mince.

He's awful in the Faraway Tree movie. Strange because I thought he was a relatively decent actor, but I haven't seen him in anything for a while, maybe I was mistaken. 🤷‍♀️

'Non e giusto'

I'm also not a cis woman..I'm just the only kind of woman there is. Do not label is all as such please ty

You may not have felt vulnerable, but other women would have done.

Do they not count? Is it only your reaction that matters?

Surely you understand that you don't get to give consent on behalf of other women?

Women have single sex spaces for their own safety and dignity. On what grounds would we let one specific group of men into them?

Who is Andrew Garfield, and why should we care much about what he says?

Can we just refer to him from now on as TSMPG (the second most popular Garfield)

Disappointed by Claire Foy too, normally love her work. It's a tangent again for another thread but I also don't think people from a position of majority social position of power (White British) can decide what might or might not be worth of a cancellation on racist source material, or as I'm calling this, an uncancellation, (I'm tweaking Orwell) . It's exactly the same process behind a male bodied person deciding for us what is and is not a threat to a female bodied woman living in an environment where her lived experience is invalidated and she's told her opinions by males.

The whole thing is a shit show. It should be The As Far Away As Possible Tree.

In a decade we'll look back and be mystified.

Khelif is confirmed to have 5ard. This DSD only affects males. Khelif is male.

The woman could have suffered an horrendous injury in those boxing matches. If any of us saw that on the street, we would be horrified

I don't think anyone other than biological females should be competing in women's sports, to be clear. But can you recall a Khelif fight where the opponent was noticably physically outmatched? Let alone to the point that we'd be horrified if we saw it on the street?

Khelif has had close to 60 amateur bouts, and has only stopped 8 opponents. None of those 60 opponents suffered horrendous injuries, or were knocked unconscious. There isn't evidence to suggest that Khelif posed some kind of additional risk to opponents as a fighter.

But, instead we are supposed to show sympathy for the man who has got into the ring, knowing he was male.

I sympathize with anyone who boxed Khalif unaware of the issue, and anyone who felt compelled to compete against someone they believed had an unfair advantage. Neither of those are ok.

But to claim that Khalif is a man, who deliberately competed against women knowing that he was a man is false. Khalif was born and raised a woman. It is believed - but not yet established - that she carries the SRY gene. This caused her to have higher levels of testosterone, which were medically reduced to the standard required by the testing bodies. It does not make her a man, and no credible test has ever established that she is biologically male.

Multiple female Olympians have tested positive for the SRY gene over the years, while being confirmed to be biologically female and cleared to compete.

I will have sympathy for Khelif until it's established that she's done anything wrong.

But that's not a woman, I'm not trying to be perdantic, I'm literally just saying seeing human beings as placeholders for roles that are unseen and unpaid, is not the same as seeing that we have intrinsic rights outside of those roles that are defined by, maintained by and solely benefit, the patriarchal systems that hold us down, exploit us and then deny our very essence

In the kindest way possible please don’t speak for all rape victims. I am sorry you experienced that and I am glad you are perfectly comfortable in mixed sex toilets but you don’t get to tell me what I should be comfortable with. I also have been raped and sexually assaulted and I’m sick to the back teeth of being told my concerns are secondary to someone else’s feelings of being validated.

Re Andrew Garfield, it’s clear he sees himself as a #bekind and inclusive person. His whole identity rests on being a ‘progressive’ thinker. The kind of man to as likely wear a t-shirt that said ‘l’m a feminist’ as much as wearing one that said ‘protect the dolls’. Without thinking through the implications.

Entrenched in Hollywood liberalism and living a rarified life completely removed from domestic refuges, prisons, hospital wards, or even any ordinary experience of toilets, changing rooms, or spas.

Hollywood has either been manipulated by TRAs (the Wachowski brothers) or bought into gender ideology on the back of inclusivity but underpinned by a dose of misogyny. It’s a shock for them to face an issue that requires some thinking when, for years, actors have been lauded for speaking out on causes like women’s rights, the environment, civil rights. Now they’ve been caught out, like others, in naively believing trans ‘rights’ was similar.

This one issue really has stumped the so-called intelligentsia.

I think he's trying to raise his profile. After all he's the third most popular Spiderman (that's discounting the cartoons and comics) and the second most popular Garfield.

I appreciate @Lemonthyme is thinking through some of the issues and hold out hope that further discussion is possible. They acknowledge the risks to incarcerated women by allowing men identifying as women be housed in women prison estates.

Using the example of Isla Bryson, they correctly describe the risk to vulnerable women (who are literally trapped) if men who pretend to be trans are housed with female prisoners. She/they also acknowledges that some men who genuinely believe that they are or ought to be women will retain their penis and, in doing so, this results in a wider safety issue and a square that cannot be circled. She even acknowledge the unfairness of risking the rights of larger groups in meeting the demands of a minority.

So, applying those same thought processes, perhaps @Lemonthyme can see some similar issues with toilets.

Are there not wider safety issues in allowing any man who says he is a woman into that single sex (yes, no place is safe) space? That some men might, and do, claim to be trans to either make women feel uncomfortable or, worst case scenario, to more easily assault them? And if so, then this minority’s demands should not be met when doing so risks the rights of larger groups of women? You might feel okay despite your sexual assaults - and I’m sorry you’ve experienced male violence - in sharing a toilet with a man wearing a dress and makeup who truly believes that they’re a woman, but can you see that other women who’ve been sexually assaulted or fear being sexually assaulted might not? Should their rights be violated to accommodate a minority of men who say they’re women? Especially when there is a third option available.

If we cannot tell or predict who is ‘genuine’ and who has an intent to harm, then all men who say (or pretend to say) they’re women must stay out of all female single sex spaces.

This interview with him and Claire (who I normally like) is teethgrindingly twee. And the normal zeal of cancellation/divorcing of a creator from their creation/calling them nasty names has been handwaved away by a lovely made up scenario that dear old Enid would have been persuaded by her present day descendants of the error of her ways. Despite there being no such evidence of this (even on a fantasy level) being the case.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/andrew-garfield-claire-foy-magic-faraway-tree-interview-b2942626.html?test_group=lighteradlayout

Far better for him to follow the usual crowd and slag off JKR than actually address the various controversies with Enid. But then, he's got a movie to promote, doesn't he?

Oh they do. They see us as resources, as scenery and as helpmeets.

Our role in their heads is keep on womanning in the old way so they have something to identify into, even though their very claim to be "women" undermines the basis on which womanning "in the old way" is anything to do with being a "woman" at all.

Once you see it you can't unsee it. The whole edifice is nothing more than sexism wrapped in a progressive facade.

They don't see women at all.

"She who must not be named". He's removing the name of a woman. Who is the author of the whole series of books, and the creator of the character/world that lead to the movies.

It's abhorrent isn't it.

And the "solution" is to tell these men to stop being so fucking entitled and get out of women's spaces.

If your first reaction to that is "yeah right, that's hardly going to stop them!" please think about what you are really saying about how these men see women.

Thing is, not all trans women are physically imposing in any way. Many very much are not. You will have shared a public toilet with a trans woman and not known. What is your solution then to ensuring only cis women use them?

But this is true of plenty of men, not just (some) trans women. And plenty of those nice and unimposing men would also prefer to use women's spaces if they could for their own safety and comfort.

So why are the men who consider themselves to be "trans women" the only men who get the "ladies spaces" pass for safety and comfort? Because they "look like women"? Because they "act like women"? Because they "think like women"?

How is this not just fucking old fashioned sexism about how women (female people) look, act and think?

Just seen the Enid blyton film he was in. His acting was bad, character cringe and let the rest of the film and cast down imo. No idea why he is popular. Then I read the quote about JKR and don’t think he is fit to shine her shoes - what a wa**er