Poor Semenya

Because they were pretending he was a woman with raised testosterone levels. He had a completely normal testosterone level for a man.

Even the level he was required to reduce his testosterone to if he wanted to continue to compete was in the male range.

But we don’t know do we - that’s what I’m saying - there are an awful lot of claims

she Says she has a vagina though

Yeah not really…because when you google everything says she’s a women!!!! I’m not saying she is I’m saying she has chosen to stick with that she is a women as thought she was for almost half her life

I agree with the new ruling and that they should never have been able to compete in women’s class

she Says she has a vagina though

Because they were pretending he was a woman with raised testosterone levels. He had a completely normal testosterone level for a man.

Even the level he was required to reduce his testosterone to if he wanted to continue to compete was in the male range.

Yes, because that's what occurs in men with his DSD.

Ah, so not really convinced then.

The specific DSD that Semenya has is one of the most common, and very well known amongst sports people. Precisely because their genitalia looks ambiguous and they get registered as female.

It's a micro penis which looks like a clitoris. It's not a mix of traits. It's a male trait that didn't form properly.

The condition is known colloquially as penis at 12, because, apparently, men get a second crack of the whip in terms of viralisation. If it doesn't work at birth, which it doesn't with this DSD, then they get a second chance at puberty. Hence '12'.

What doesn't happen is that they have a female puberty. No breasts, no periods, no female anatomy.

Personally it was watching one of the interviews linked to above that crystallised it for me. Semenya's coach called him he, Semenya himself said he thought girls were soft, and he was fairly sexist to be honest.

He might identify as a woman, but he certainly doesn't identify with them.

For good reason, as it turns out.

So they have talked about their external genitalia being a mis formed scrotam?

But we don’t know do we - that’s what I’m saying - there are an awful lot of claims

Nearly everywhere it says “raised” or “elevated”

But we do know what DSD he has, it's been published as others on this thread have said. If he had retired gracefully none of this would be known publicly.

are they though? If they have a mix of traits - for me the whole argument started because of the mis gendering - I think it should be respected that CS has decided to carry on with recognising herself as a women - where does it say CS knew she was a man from puberty? (To me it would be like finding out your adopted and then having to deny your adoptive parents are your parents)

I’m uncomfortable with all the claims here about knowing what CS labia looks like!!! That it’s a malformed scrotam - how can we know that???

what’s wrong in my eyes is that they were allowed to compete with raised testosterone levels

Nearly everywhere it says “raised” or “elevated”

where does it say CS knew she was a man from puberty?

If you look at the picture of 15 year old Semenya topless in boys swimming shorts on page 2, does it look like he thought he was male or female at that point? Why would he dress like that if he thought he was a girl?

But we don’t know do we - that’s what I’m saying - there are an awful lot of claims

are they though? If they have a mix of traits - for me the whole argument started because of the mis gendering - I think it should be respected that CS has decided to carry on with recognising herself as a women - where does it say CS knew she was a man from puberty? (To me it would be like finding out your adopted and then having to deny your adoptive parents are your parents)

I’m uncomfortable with all the claims here about knowing what CS labia looks like!!! That it’s a malformed scrotam - how can we know that???

what’s wrong in my eyes is that they were allowed to compete with raised testosterone levels

Caster Semanya didn't have raised testosterone levels he had completely normal male levels of testosterone.

are they though? If they have a mix of traits - for me the whole argument started because of the mis gendering - I think it should be respected that CS has decided to carry on with recognising herself as a women - where does it say CS knew she was a man from puberty? (To me it would be like finding out your adopted and then having to deny your adoptive parents are your parents)

I’m uncomfortable with all the claims here about knowing what CS labia looks like!!! That it’s a malformed scrotam - how can we know that???

what’s wrong in my eyes is that they were allowed to compete with raised testosterone levels

Because it's typical of the DSD that he has, that genitalia might be mistaken as female and that the micropenis is mistaken for a larger clitoris. Furthermore at puberty it becomes obvious when testosterone kicks in that the person isn't female but male. I'm sorry if you find it distasteful, but that is what this DSD does to the body.
If you have ever seen a micropenis, it's easy to see how such mistakes are made.

I don’t think blue skies was asking for you to explain

standards of femininity such as stature and attire, maybe hair in this instance

CS has chosen to stay with calling themselves female…don’t you know

nobody else asked for post to be removed so you don’t need to attempt to patronise me by saying “I’m glad you realised…”. Jesus - No one else asked for it to be taken down

are they though? If they have a mix of traits - for me the whole argument started because of the mis gendering - I think it should be respected that CS has decided to carry on with recognising herself as a women - where does it say CS knew she was a man from puberty? (To me it would be like finding out your adopted and then having to deny your adoptive parents are your parents)

I’m uncomfortable with all the claims here about knowing what CS labia looks like!!! That it’s a malformed scrotam - how can we know that???

what’s wrong in my eyes is that they were allowed to compete with raised testosterone levels