Poor Semenya

@Uglydumpling I forgot to address the puberty question. He KNEW when he didn't menstruate. He knew then. You don't get to his age, not have a period, and not find out why. Be real. He more than likely ejaculated instead of menstruated and knew then.

"misgendering"?

You mean correct-sexing? Why are you trying to gaslight women to ignore our lived experienced as the oppressed sex class and mis-sex a male and call him one of ours, to cosplay with him?

Would you demand African Americans call Rachel Dolezal an African American? Why is the female sex the only oppressed group who is made to feel guilty for not acquiescing to their coloniser?

We women own men SHIT. We don't owe a cheating male who stole the hopes, dreams, hard work and awards off women ANYTHING. We owe him nothing at all. And it's time handmaids stopped trying to guilt women into pandering to males. He is a male. A man. And like hell will I ever be gaslit to pander to a male who appropriates our oppression. You mis-sex him if you want, but I and 99% of us won't.

Unless it is Ray, 😂

As an aside Ray Blanchard made reference to the Ugly duckling throughout his papers on the phenomena of transvestism and transexuals, and later referred to that phrase in a tweet 22/08/25

I heard him referring to it in a podcast interview by Julie Bindle. It was in reference to how the press reported on the Cinderella/ugly duckling transformation reported in the press, which promoted the idea of innate femininity and failed to recognise the paraphiliac nature of transvestism.

I wondered if UD user name was related to something she picked up on, re this.

I did make a cute duckling.... but I AM DUMPLING!

Knowing that, isn’t it more appropriate to feel sorry for the many many women relegated to 2nd, 3rd or 4th place losing sponsorships and income?

It is, unless you're a misogynist. And one who not only doesn't consider the women who have lost out to this man, they think other people shouldn't consider them either.

@FlirtsWithRhinos better?

(You looked so cute as a 🐥)

Apologies I have managed to repeatedly mis read the user name.

I did not intentionally mis-dumpling you.

I'll be right back!

<retreats backwards whilst grovelling and apologising profusely>

DUMPLING not ducking!

You have mis-dumplinged me! How very dare you 😡

I’ll admit that years ago, I too bought the myth that CS was a poor maligned woman who was subjected to unfair criticism. It was FWR that brought my attention to the whole story. On reading more about the issues, and in light of evidence that CS is a male with a DSD, I changed my mind.

If I’m correctly interpreting see this ^^ post, the poster is agreeing that it was wrong that CS was allowed to compete against women. And in saying that, they’re agreeing with what many are saying here.

Yet still having sympathy in believing that CS was raised as a girl…This may have been true until CS hit puberty, when CS became aware that his sex status was questionable. Since competing, CS has made millions by beating women in races. Every £££ reason for holding onto the female designation.

But any searching will easily confirm that CS has been banned for years for refusing to reduce testosterone levels. World Athletics says Semenya and other athletes with DSD in international track have testosterone levels in the male range, giving them an unfair advantage over women because of the hormone's connection to muscle mass and cardiovascular performance. This is not controversial. So CS has XY chromosomes, male testosterone levels, muscles and a physique shaped by male hormones.

Knowing that, isn’t it more appropriate to feel sorry for the many many women relegated to 2nd, 3rd or 4th place losing sponsorships and income?

UD is is on a wind-up
Nobody can be so misinformed; I mean naive

Not to mention the ...and I can't possibly imagine why it would matter to anybody.

On the sex and gender board in the feminist section of a parenting website, largely populated by women.

Another reason (so 2,500,001 reasons now) why Semenya keeps the grift going is to claim what an exceptional athlete he was.

Except he wasn’t.

His 2016 Rio 800m finals time (a ‘national record’) was 1:55.98.

Qualifying time for the Men’s 800m for Rio was 1:46.00.

Sebastian Coe ran 1:41.73 in 1981.

@Uglydumplingif you think caster Semanye gives a shiny shit about whether women on the internet feel sympathetic enough to his ‘plight’ to refer to him as ‘she/her’ I have a bridge to sell you. He’s been interviewed expressing his views and feelings about women and girls. He refers to women and girls as ‘them’ not us. He states they’re ‘too soft’. There is video evidence of him doing this. From an early age. It’s a massive grift. He knows it and we know it and he knows we know it. He 100% does not consider himself a woman. But he’ll say whatever he needs to say to keep the money coming in.

I have not idea what time it is, but I know Caster Semenya is a bloke.

I personally would happily don a cockroach outfit, deny my true beetle, and claim to be a cockroach if there was a couple of million pounds on the table to encourage me, so I understand why CS would continue to lie. I just don't see why we should all collude in the lie with him. I believe myself to be a cockroach just as much as he believes himself to be a woman.

Earlier as I was reading I just thought the poster was a bit... confused, but their merry-go-round style of conversation made that far less likely. The accusation of terrified and panicked was the jump the shark moment, it's just too silly 😂

The "why would a man who has been given medals he wasn't entitled to, and who continues to profit from a career built on the back of lies about being a woman, continue to maintain the lie?" bit was a close second 😂

I've updated your official Mumsnet photo to recognise the change.

In fairness, I offered a tea-time truce earlier, and the clocks went forward so it's really sort-of 8 o'clock which is tea-time, so bon appétit, Uglydumpling.

To be fair, I am currently having mine. It has been one of those days,

I’m not threatened it panicky. Just bored of people claiming that self declared ‘identity’ like Semenya claiming he is a woman supersedes facts like his sex.

His sex is male and despite his claims, he is a man. He knows he is a man. Men are referred to as ‘he’, otherwise it confuses people.

At least we have agreed that he is not entitled to participate in women’s sports or be given millions in prize money that should have gone to women.

You're having a very late tea.

Oh well done, newest iteration of UglyDumpling!

You've finally been persuaded by biology and you're willing to concede that you have been wrong throughout this thread.
You're actually going to describe CS as he/him/his.

It's a triumph for common sense.

Oh it is.

So, no-one is panicked or threatened, it was simply a bit of hyperbole on your part. That's ok - it's obvious why you had to do that.

Right you are, UglyDumpling. Thanks for clearing that up