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Chersfrozenface · 28/03/2026 17:12

And this is the remark about testicles, from a fawning feature on the BBC.

"I don't care about the medical terms or what they tell me. Being born without a uterus or with internal testicles. Those don't make me less of a woman"...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/67336536#:~:text=I%20don't%20care%20about,and%20I%20will%20embrace%20them.

Boiledbeetle · 28/03/2026 17:11

I cannot believe that in 2026 people still seem to believe there's some magical third sex neither male or female but something that's a bit of both, or neither.

And people thought the Internet would make people more intelligent!

loislovesstewie · 28/03/2026 17:10

Everyone is either male or female. Some DSDs are only found in males. This is one of them, a micro penis that looks like an enlarged clitoris and a scrotum that could be mistaken for labia.
At puberty it's often obvious that the person is male due to the muscles developing in a male way.
I'm amazed that people are tying themselves up in knots to pretend that Caster is female. Where is your sympathy for the females who lost out due to him taking part in sports?

Chersfrozenface · 28/03/2026 17:07

This is Semenya when at high school, on the left, pictured with a male fellow pupil wearing the boys' uniform, and a female fellow pupil wearing the girls' uniform.

Which uniform is Semenya wearing? (And this was not a school where girls could choose to wear trousers.)

Poor Semenya
MelOfTheRoses · 28/03/2026 17:07

murasaki · 28/03/2026 17:04

No, they may have other dsds, but this one only happens to males.

They can have 5ard which is a recessive gene condition that affects conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) which results in less body hair in females, and underdeveloped external genitalia in males.

dementedpixie · 28/03/2026 17:06

Uglydumpling · 28/03/2026 16:59

She is neither exclusively female or male

she has xy chromosomes and that is why she can’t compete any longer with women and rightly so

it’s doesn’t stop that she external female genitalia

He had ambiguous genitalia at birth and was miscategorised as female. At puberty he would have known he was male. You cannot be neither male or female: you are one or the other. The DSD he has affects only males so thats what sex he is

murasaki · 28/03/2026 17:04

MelOfTheRoses · 28/03/2026 17:03

Women can also have this condition, but it just results in less body hair and has no effect on their athletic success, or otherwise.

No, they may have other dsds, but this one only happens to males.

Boiledbeetle · 28/03/2026 17:03

bumptybum · 28/03/2026 16:38

CS is intersex so insisting on ‘he’ is not the gotcha you think it is.

we need proper, intelligent strong arguments. Not emotive jabs.

the argument stands up for itself without cheap shots that have no logical basis

He has a DSD. Humans with a DSD are either a male with a DSD or a female with a DSD.
HE is a male with a DSD.

So I see no problem with that poster correcting someone who calls him she.

MelOfTheRoses · 28/03/2026 17:03

spannasaurus · 28/03/2026 16:50

5-alpha reductase deficiency is a condition that affects sexual development before birth and during puberty. People with this condition are genetically male, with one X and one Y chromosome in each cell, and they have male gonads (testes)

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Women can also have this condition, but it just results in less body hair and has no effect on their athletic success, or otherwise.

biwr · 28/03/2026 17:03

many people with 5ARD who who raised as girls, identify as boys after puberty.
(unless remaining a girl is financially lucrative i guess)

Uglydumpling · 28/03/2026 17:02

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dementedpixie · 28/03/2026 17:02

bumptybum · 28/03/2026 16:48

And yet people was far more letters after their name, than you disagree with you

Who are these mystical people?

Uglydumpling · 28/03/2026 16:59

WhosGotTheKeysToMyBimma · 28/03/2026 16:54

Caster is not intersex.

Caster is a man with 5-ARD. This is why he can no longer compete in the women's category.

She is neither exclusively female or male

she has xy chromosomes and that is why she can’t compete any longer with women and rightly so

it’s doesn’t stop that she external female genitalia

biwr · 28/03/2026 16:55

spannasaurus · 28/03/2026 16:52

This is Semanya at 15 on a school trip. Do you really think he thought he was a girl

if I didn’t know anything about the subject in this photo, I’d be certain it’s not a fifteen year old girl, who would absolutely not pose topless like this.

WhosGotTheKeysToMyBimma · 28/03/2026 16:54

Uglydumpling · 28/03/2026 16:51

Please don’t do that - it’s very insulting to the person

I’m delighted at the decision and that it will be clear going forward

please respect the difficult situation of being intersex and that Caster was raised female and sees herself as female - it’s not straight for ward for her

you can do both

Caster is not intersex.

Caster is a man with 5-ARD. This is why he can no longer compete in the women's category.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 28/03/2026 16:54

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loislovesstewie · 28/03/2026 16:53

bumptybum · 28/03/2026 16:47

Based on legal, sporting, and medical assessments, an individual like Caster Semenya with 46,XY chromosomes, DSD (specifically 5-ARD), internal testes, and high testosterone (male range) is generally considered to have a biological makeup that is neither exclusively female nor male, but rather intersex, despite having female external features

you can opine all you want but the factors they are intersex. This is a biological Position. They are neither male nor female

They are completely separate category from transgender. And whilst I do not believe into intersex individuals should be competing with women, I also am well aware that calling them a man and he is just as incorrect as calling them a woman or she

He's a man. The condition he has is only found in men. He's not something in between male and female.
FWIW I'm fed up with people being untruthful about their biology. It's always to the detriment of females.

DamsonGoldfinch · 28/03/2026 16:53

Uglydumpling · 28/03/2026 16:51

Please don’t do that - it’s very insulting to the person

I’m delighted at the decision and that it will be clear going forward

please respect the difficult situation of being intersex and that Caster was raised female and sees herself as female - it’s not straight for ward for her

you can do both

On what basis do you make this assertion?

spannasaurus · 28/03/2026 16:52

This is Semanya at 15 on a school trip. Do you really think he thought he was a girl

Poor Semenya
murasaki · 28/03/2026 16:52

Uglydumpling · 28/03/2026 16:51

Please don’t do that - it’s very insulting to the person

I’m delighted at the decision and that it will be clear going forward

please respect the difficult situation of being intersex and that Caster was raised female and sees herself as female - it’s not straight for ward for her

you can do both

He really doesn't. Watch any interview with him and you will see exactly how male he is.

Uglydumpling · 28/03/2026 16:51

dementedpixie · 28/03/2026 16:29

He

Please don’t do that - it’s very insulting to the person

I’m delighted at the decision and that it will be clear going forward

please respect the difficult situation of being intersex and that Caster was raised female and sees herself as female - it’s not straight for ward for her

you can do both

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 28/03/2026 16:50

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AStonedRose · 28/03/2026 16:50

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To stoke hatred, presumably.

BiologicalRobot · 28/03/2026 16:50

you can opine all you want but the factors they are intersex. This is a biological Position. They are neither male nor female

That is a particularly uneducated statement as humans are either male or female, they cannot be neither (nor both). Even when dead you are either male or female. And CS is male.

spannasaurus · 28/03/2026 16:50

5-alpha reductase deficiency is a condition that affects sexual development before birth and during puberty. People with this condition are genetically male, with one X and one Y chromosome in each cell, and they have male gonads (testes)

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