Poor Semenya

You can lead a horse tow water etc.
Ah well, the clocks spring forward tonight, so I'm off to bed...

It's always amusing to see the fingers in ears posters proudly declaring their insistence to maintaining their lack of knowledge. Particularly to the posters on here who read articles/research etc from all kinds of sources and forensically examine and discuss them.

'Nooooo! Take the sources away! I'm happy in my ignorance!'

This is also presumably one of CS's favourite ever photos of himself given its approval for publication in CS's autobiography. The photo is one of CS's own, had that i know of never been seen anywhere before the book came out. And it's of course a huge trolling wink to readers.

This is in Durban though. A major city. With busy beaches. On a school trip. Surrounded by classmates.

I personally think it highly likely, certain even, given how macho & boorish he always seems, that CS would want to have a good go at becoming a biological father, rather than his wife carrying, if you like, another man's kids. Money or access to medical help wouldn't be a barrier. And as others on here have said, a number of individuals with similar conditions have successly fathered children (in the sense of providing the sperm). But the very little that the couple have said about the issue quite clearly states that they had to use sperm donated from elsewhere. They may be lying, of course, but it's really much better to give them the benefit of the doubt slash to respect their privacy on the matter.

And Lynsey Sharp, who finished 6th, so 3rd of the actual women, a bronze medal she never got, was told by Semenya after speaking about about it that she should have trained harder.

No training in the world would have beaten three men.

Wow yes. Never mind Semanya, look at the hulking guy on the left.

Not on the beach in Durban.

I thought of one other time when breasts might be uncovered in Africa: traditional ceremonies.

Could I also point out that 2 of the other athletes in this photo also have the same DSD?

😬

Probably gone to the pub quiz.

But we are talking basic biology.

There are two sexes.

Male is one.

Female is the other.

There are no others.

That is (checks notes) definitely covered in GCSE biology.

<<<<<double gavel>>>>>

Yes there is - it was declared in Semenya’s case at CAS.

https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-244348#{%22itemid%22:[%22001-244348%22]}

46XY 5-ARD, internal testes, circulating levels of testosterone in the male range, fully androgen sensitive, fully virilised.

Well Uglydumpling has gone quiet. Maybe enrolling on a biology course as we speak 🤞🏻

They might well do in some rural parts of Africa. But I agree the person does not look anything like a girl. Just being pedantic.

I'm two big glasses of wine down and just wondering if we have any vodka.

My bad.

That photograph really hammers home how unfair this situation was to the female athletes 😢

He didn't even do that. This is the Rio 800m final.
The three medal winners are in motley range of outfits. All the women are wearing the same running knickers and cropped vests

Some discussions really do require adult beverages.
I feel your pain.

The UN and WHO also insist that men are actually women if they say they are so I think we can take their pronouncements with a pinch of salt.

Actual people with DSDs ask not to be othered by implying they are not one sex or the other. They deserve some respect.

Maaaaate...
I have reasonable experience of Africa.

Even back in the 1970s, breasts were only uncovered under specific circumstances (breastfeeding and traditional dancing - and not always even then), or within some very traditional communities in the absolute back end of beyond.

He improved his 800m time by 7 seconds within a 9 month period in 2009. That tells me that he had not been a serious runner prior to 2008 so was scouted and became a runner because of his DSD.

He wore ladies’ clothes when he was racing, could it be that?

Simple DSDs are covered in the current AQA GCSE biology course

I have been looking for some evidence of Caster’s junior athletics performance and can find nothing prior to 2008 when he would have been 17. Highly unusual for a top athlete not to have results from childhood 🤷‍♀️

But I did spot this passage from his Wikipedia propaganda page:

Semenya said that she was born with a vagina and internal undescended testes but that she has no uterus or fallopian tubes and does not menstruate.[11][24][25] Her internal testes produce natural testosterone levels in the typical male range.[11][26] Semenya rejects the label of "intersex", calling herself "a different kind of woman".[26]

So Semenya rejects the term intersex for himself and is just a “different kind of woman” 🤔

The wiki page also states:

Later reports disclosed that Semenya has the condition 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency (5αR2D) and natural testosterone levels in the typical male range.[10][11]