Why is sex the only protected characteristic that people want to, or are ‘allowed’ to, self identify into? by

this kinda reasoning makes me rage tho, like people with DSDs are utterly irrelevant to trans people. and two, the only thing you need to do to be trans, is self-identify. trans people aren't doing medical tests to ascertain if they are trans. they are just saying "i feel like I am".

it is just the stupidest freaking ideology that rests on utter BS, and yet... in many countries we have to live under it's tyrannical rule and we're hateful bigots if we disagree with it. it's 2026 and we're still hardly better off than we were in when JKR made her fated tweet at the end of 2019, in many ways, we are worse off.

nothing else has ever made me lose more faith in fellow humans. gender ideology is just the dumbest freaking pile of shit ever.

What are the 'obvious reasons' that Karen White and Barbie Kardashian should not be in a men's prison?

There’s so much staff on prisoner abuse… and prisoner on prisoner abuse.
men go into women’s prisons and harm them. The culture of the prisons mean they usually get away with it.
women are not safe in prison

So you want a trans only prison?

They shouldn’t be in a men’s prison either, for obvious reasons.
it’s so nuanced and I find it hard when complex arguments are reduced to binaries.

Women are a lot safer in a prison with only female prisoners then they are in a mixed sex prison

Idk. I don’t think they should be in a men’s or women’s prison. I think they should have protection plans based on individual needs.
oh give me the money and I will reform the prison system haha

I’d disagree - it’s not safe in women’s prisons either. It’s everyone’s problem!

So you agree with me that they should be in a mens prison

The limit is when someone's rights impinge on someone else's.
So with your friend who is a woman who says she's a man, she changes her name from (e.g.) Susan to Steve. Fine.
She takes on stereotypically male-coded aspects of appearance like short hair and trousers. Fine.
She uses the men's loos or changing rooms. Not fine. Because both sexes need and should be confident that they are getting single-sex spaces when they are partially dressed or undressed/performing necessary intimate tasks/vulnerable.
She and maybe friends of hers require people to refer to her as 'he' or 'him'. Not fine. Because it's not true and it requires a mental adjustment/pause/stress every time.

Solitary confinement? Supervised socialisation? I mean no they can’t demand to be in a woman’s prison but they can ask for protection from prisoners who would abuse them. Do you see where I’m coming from?

It’s not safe for a lot of men in prison - this is a problem that the prison service and men need to address. It’s not women’s problem.

So what prison do you suggest these men are housed in?

Karen White sexually assaulted female prisoners and Barbie Kardashian tried to rape his mother and rip the eyelids off a female social worker

Oh I agree, but OP stated that sex was the only PC that people want to identify into, when this is very clearly not the case.

Regarding not harming people - someone who self-identifies into a religion and lives closer to the school will get priority over someone who is genuinely of that religion who lives further away. So it’s not free of consequence for others.

Because transphobia and the type of men in these prisons mean it wouldn’t be safe for them there and they are human beings who deserve basic rights and dignity no matter what they’ve done?

Because transphobia and the type of men in these prisons mean it wouldn’t be safe for them there and they are human beings who deserve basic rights and dignity no matter what they’ve done?

I’m not trying to insult you I’m trying to understand you.
wheres your limit? If someone says they want to identify as something and it’s not harming you, I’ve always been live and let live. Where is the limit for you?
a 25 yo deciding to live as a man isn’t harming you. Idk why you’re being so mean about him.

They are men so why shouldn't they be in a mens prison?

There's certainly a conversation to be had about the morality of pretending to be a particular religion (or suddenly rediscovering enthusiasm for a religion that is technically yours but which you haven't engaged with for a long time) for school purposes, but a crucial difference is that doing that doesn't impinge on other people’s safety, privacy or dignity in the way that men using women’s spaces does.

They shouldn’t be in a men’s prison either, for obvious reasons.
it’s so nuanced and I find it hard when complex arguments are reduced to binaries.

Why should i use false descriptions of people? If I'm talking about why someone like Karen Wight or Barbie Kardashian should not be in womens prison how is it helpful to refer to them as she rather than he.

I’m not naive.
No, that's why I called your style 'faux-naive'. And, again, it is changing as you continue to post.
i jus don’t get why you hate all trans people??:
Please, don't insult the intelligence of everyone on here by wheeling that old trope out. It's beneath your and everyone's dignity.

Yes and I agree but how does that stop you from using someone’s preferred pronouns? Feels like a huge leap?

I’m fascinated to know what you mean by that. I’m not naive. I’m a member of the queer community and a traumatised rape survivor who will be out there with you campaigning for women only spaces.

i jus don’t get why you hate all trans people??: