Why is sex the only protected characteristic that people want to, or are ‘allowed’ to, self identify into? by

good i would hope no one is but unfortunately a lot of prison culture does. You watch any police show and they say things like ‘the prisoners will teach you a lesson’ etc. I feel putting someone who looks like a woman into a male space knowing the risks kind of is; and I’d like to ask ethically where you stand on this.
i never said anyone was doing it. But I felt by not acknowledging this risk you inadvertently were.

Male prisoners can be old, young, weak, ill, disabled, gay, trans, police, gang members, mentally ill, or known pædophiles. In 1813 there were probably still a few eunuchs (operatic castrati or slaves). They all need protection. And they're all men. Why are they the women's problem?

The straw man is the assertion that we are condoning rape. It would be terrible if we were. But we're not.

ETA I did look for 'straw man': the results all related to drinking straws!

Who’s known for not having a brain?
im talking about balancing the rights of two very vulnerable group and why it gives me a headache with fellow feminists. Why am I a straw man for that?

You need to think through the male trans people who will have completely different motives and reasons for declaring they are women/girls and the female ones who declare they are men/boys.

Lumping the middle aged AGPs or polyculers together with girls petrified of the behaviour of men and boys is half the story as to how we ended up in this mess in the first place.

Yes it is. And so you see why it becomes a problem when you go nope into men’s prison you go and the person is screaming ‘but I’m not safe here!’ and you have to think about their human rights too.
ethics isn’t easy hey?

I'm not calling you stupid, just posting a gif of a straw man

Right but I’d argue competing in the olympics isn’t a basic human right like safety, and this is where I’m a bit confused with the prison thing.

please don’t lump me in with aggressive tras. I’m not here to do that, I’m here to discuss this with you. I know and love lots of trans people and I know and love lots of women who feel the same way as you, so I find this very complex

Bit rude and hypocritical to be calling someone stupid when you can’t even use your words. But ok. Whatever.

Solitary confinement, especially over longer periods, is cruel and inhumane and I think against human rights.

it’s just a slippery slope when you start condoning it

Yes this is exactly what I’m saying.
i feel complete and utter revulsion at the criminals you mentioned hurting women in prisons but equally I don’t think they deserve to be raped. And it’s not because I think that morally or whatever - I think it’s just a slippery slope when you start condoning it in any circumstances and we need to protect women and girls

I realise race is different to citizenship, I was thinking of the legal processes too. There are legal processes to identify as a different sex. There are legal processes to identify as parents (adoption). The closest I could get for race was the legal processes to identify as a citizen.

I got onto the legal processes because of the claims made about the process for legal sex identity change being expensive, lacking dignity, time consuming etc. Other legal processes are all of those.

Maybe you should do a bit more research then

Really? What’s the argument there? I’ve never heard of gender dysphoria not being a thing for trans people?

Those people would be wrong. Someone with a congenital chromosomal condition is not the same as someone who identifies as trans.

We are told by TRAs that gender dysphoria is not necessary for someone to be trans.

We have seen Trans Activists for the last decade argue this point.

Luckily the Olympic Committee has spent a whole 2 years on their research into the strength, reach, power advantages of male puberty and if you look at any male DSD olympian it is clear they are male and have larger bone structures etc.

If you care to read that, it sets out the position clearly and I'd use that as my basis but 99.99999% of the time, males will go to male prisons and be protected using the already set out common procedures to protect vulnerable male inmates in those prisons.

It is important to go through this, after witnessing the mass 'prison onset gender dysphoria' that has been undergone completely and utterly coincidentally and not stratigcally at all in every 'self Id get in front of the law' country on the planet.

But what if they’ve lived as a woman their entire life? What if they’ve had surgery? Are they trans? This is where this becomes problematic and I’d argue for nuance.
im really not anti women. I think this is a very complex argument, as I’ve said

Because these people would argue that gender dysphoria is as much of a medical condition as a dsd.
because if they can have nuance why can’t trans people? Why can’t a dr decide which prison someone who’s had surgery goes to?

We are short of prison places. So imagine the govt puts aside the resources to build new capacity. So far, so good.
The new prisons become third (mixed sex) spaces. Would they be opt in? In which case, some men would opt in, no women would. So you’d just have new men’s prisons (which are probably needed, but wouldn’t help overcrowding in women’s prisons.)
Or would they be for all people with DSDs, obligatory. I say obligatory as I can’t see why a woman with a DSD would want to be housed with men, or VV. Seems very anti inclusion. And forcing reluctant women to reside with men is exactly what we’re trying to avoid.
confused I think you’re confused by more than dating, you haven’t thought this through at all, just grabbed some slogans off the internet and are now testing them to their conclusion.

Medical experts would determine their sex .

What has people with DSDs got to do with men who say they are women?

And third spaces to protect these people just isn’t an option?