Why is sex the only protected characteristic that people want to, or are ‘allowed’ to, self identify into? by

I think a lot of it has been driven by male AGPs who want to indulge in their kink the whole time.

We are all supposed to be totally fine with all and any sexual behaviours these days and celebrate kinks rather than shaming them. The fact that they cleverly hitched all the TQ+ nonsense to the LGB wagon added another barrier to expressing disapproval. Then add in that it is men, who have the power in society, who want to change things for their benefit and you get a lot of support from women who want to curry favour and be seen to be the cool, progressive girls.

It reminds me of all the ‘free love’ BS when the pill first became widely available. Women were led to believe that having sex with any man who asked for it was modern and enlightened, whereas what it really meant was that women couldn’t say no to any creep that fancied a shag.

Changing gender should be a medical process, because that’s what it is. After all, most are taking hormones and some go for surgery. There are psychological issues too. Self ID is problematic.

…The process of changing gender should have dignity and good care embedded in the process. But it should not be a free for all.

A good question, if you can change your 'sex marker' on you birth certificate why can't you change your 'age marker' ie DOB. Enquiring minds want to know.

If I could change 62 to 59 I could retire now, instead of having to go another 3 years, I've been 'living as an old person' for 2 years, I wear old lady clothes, I've got grumpy down to a tee, why can't I change the 'date assigned at birth' for one that aligns with how my aged soul feels I am. 🤔

Luckily you can now support all your trans friends with the key information that they haven't been banned from sports at all. And any potential Olympians that they are good to go.

OP – I thought this line was interesting from your chat Gpt analysis: Sex appears different because transgender law was developed around dignity, privacy and social recognition rather than objective verification…

It missing a bit. ‘Transgender law’ (does it mean the gender recognition act?) was developed around the dignity and privacy of those who consider themselves transgender. The dignity and privacy of women was never factored in. Effectively we’re in a position of having to fight for that in retrospect.

Changing gender on a document doesn’t technically confer more rights. It does validate your friend’s idea that as a biological woman they have done status as a male.

You are right though, most of ‘trans rights’ aren’t legally given, they’ve been illegally taken. If your friend uses the male toilets she will be violating the dignity of the men using them. The process for the passport and official document validating their gender dysphoria has a part to play.

The Supreme Court decision was intersectional. It took protected characteristics independently and looked at how they interact.

Just not with the weird twists Stonewall invented.

I don’t understand how the Supreme Court’s logic can be seen as anything but intersectional. Yet it generated outrage and dismay.

Sorry no time to read thread so this may have been answered.

The point is it cant. That is why the Supreme Court ruled that sex could only be biology. Not just because of the fact of biology but because NO OTHER protected catergory could be imposed on or undermined,

In other words that the catergory of sex was being DISCRIMINATED against if the idea that you could identify into.

So it cant be. It never could be.

It was only Stonewall who preached this.

That is why a man with a GRC has the "legal sex" of a woman but is not any actual biological woman.

Although some of us suspect that the way they wrote the EA was the trojan horse that they then wanted to use to say yes of couse legal sex was the same as actual sex.

Just to restate the most important part of the Supreme Court ruling was that the illegal concept that legal sex and actual sex was and therefore STILL IS descrimination against sex as a protected characteristic.

I suspect this is one of the reasons the Labour Party and others are being so slow to implement the Supreme Court ruling is because to comply with it means they are having to accept that sex aquired through a certificate in NOT equal or the same as biological sex.

Sex is also the only protected characteristic that self-proclaimed social justice warriors don't consider valid in terms of intersectionality.

Argue the need for spaces or groups or initiatives specifically for those who are women (adopting just for the thought exercise their nonsensical gender-identity definition of woman), and are also black / Muslim / disabled? That's intersectionality!

Argue the need for spaces or groups or initiatives specifically for those who are women (again, in their own terms), and also have female reproductive biology? That's exclusion, you bigot!

Ah ok read that wrong.

Well there aren’t just trans women, there are trans men too. So what you do to one you do to the other too. So when I looked at this I just thought of my trans friend and what they went through. And I kind of think him changing his gender on his birth certificate didn’t give him any more rights. It was a difficult process that he’s glad he went through but isn’t something he found easy.

No, no-one has been banned from Olympic sports. In order to compete in the women's category, athletes will need to have a test for the SRY gene, which is responsible for development as a man; without it, one develops as a woman. It's a little more complicated in exceptional cases. Those determined by tests to be male will be eligible for the men's category.

I don't know whether you mean men claiming to be women or women claiming to be men when you ask what benefits "trans men" get, so can't respond to that.

This is really interesting actually.
you can self identify with your sexuality, no one requires a pass for that. But beyond that you’re right.
I am a trans supporter and I don’t have an answer for you. I don’t think it is that easy to change your birth certificate though? Like I had a friend (female to male) change it and it wasn’t easy. Like yes driving license was but they wouldn’t use that to decide what prison you were going to? I’m a bit confused by the problem? I’m not really sure what benefits trans men get? They’ve just been banned from Olympic sports haven’t they?

this kinda reasoning makes me rage tho, like people with DSDs are utterly irrelevant to trans people. and two, the only thing you need to do to be trans, is self-identify. trans people aren't doing medical tests to ascertain if they are trans. they are just saying "i feel like I am".

it is just the stupidest freaking ideology that rests on utter BS, and yet... in many countries we have to live under it's tyrannical rule and we're hateful bigots if we disagree with it. it's 2026 and we're still hardly better off than we were in when JKR made her fated tweet at the end of 2019, in many ways, we are worse off.

nothing else has ever made me lose more faith in fellow humans. gender ideology is just the dumbest freaking pile of shit ever.

It's only the PC of sex that fetishist men are interested in, and they have fought hard (and successfully) to take womanhood for themselves whenever they want it.

Age genuinely is a spectrum, and each of us has our precise place on it at any moment (in principle even if our birthdate is uncertain), and we can predict exactly where we will be on it on any future date. We can do something about what age we appear to be, but it's accepted that we have an actual age.

Sex is not a genuine spectrum, even as presented by trans activists (variously invoking DSDs or making out that sex-differentiated characteristics which are on a spectrum disprove the binary). There is no measure of femaleness to maleness that permits us to place anyone at a point on a spectrum of sex, not surprisingly as there are precisely two sexes defined by reproductive role, whether or not that role is fulfilled. I am no more and no less male than any other man. Gender, as defined as a social construct, is not a true spectrum of femininity to masculinity either; even if one accepts the concept of degrees of femininity / masculinity, there are many intertwining markers or measures which are not constant over time and vary by culture (and each person has a variety of cultural influences).

And yet there are societal expectations for each of the sexes, and no-one escapes these entirely. Indeed, any attempt to do so is doomed to failure, as to escape one sex's stereotypes requires moving towards the other sex's stereotypes, as we see very clearly with trans people. Those who escape most are those who don't care at all about the societal expectations, and trans people including "non-binary" are (perhaps paradoxically) almost by definition not in that situation, as they care about "gender".

Critical race theory, if my EDI training is up to scratch, is the theory that racism is baked into the fabric of society through institutions, policies, behaviours, education, history and the law because…white men.

But actually the same applies to misogyny against women. ‘Identifying as women’ is as nonsensical to those of us who see this for what it is, and just as outrageous as someone white ‘identifying’ as being black.

Whenever I asked why anti-racism (which I fully support) appeared to be the only priority and nobody was talking about misogny which is of equal urgency I was told with a sneering laugh (by the male trainer) because…intersectionality.

Ok then. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Not any more we are starting to open the eyes of everyone

That video is laughable a man pretending to be a woman arguing with an older man pretending to be younger than he is comedy gold.

The sex and gender question draws on queer theory but it's not the same for race because of critical race theory. It's a while since I was reading this stuff and my memory's not what it used to be but it might give you an avenue to Google.

Yes. If did.

The discussion with Fae is rather enlightening though. Emile asked the same question as you in the video.

Have you ever seen this segment with Emile Ratelband and Fae, OP?

Emile sought to be legally recognised as being younger. The Dutch court said no.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46425774?app-referrer=deep-link