Zoe Williams in The Guardian on Girl Guides removing Trans Girls

Have you suggested to all the complainers that there’s an opening for them to establish their own group, the girlesque guides would be a suitable name?

Can even ZW really think the problem of boys in Girlguiding would be solved by changing the name to something unisex? When the whole point is that it was set up for girls to flourish in in a male-free space? Is she just pretending to be so dim?

I miss the Guardian. But reading the dishonest nonsense it now spouts is too painful.

Exactly.

Why can't they just leave little girls alone ffs!

"If you have a daughter in Girlguiding who says she’s been designing badges, it might be worth asking a few follow-up questions.

Because activists are circulating a template encouraging girls to design badges for Pride month.

These are not official Girlguiding materials, but the work of the group Guiders Against Trans Exclusion (GATE), which opposes the new rules excluding boys - including those who 'identify' as girls - from Girlguiding."

https://x.com/i/status/2049131691533369625

Their Instagram account:

https://www.instagram.com/guidersagainsttransexclusion?igsh=N3h5a2RrOWZxOHk3

Two very concerning men really want to keep boys in the Girl Guides: Sarah Jane Baker and Melissa Poulton (there are videos in the linked tweets).

https://x.com/i/status/2043985420002656661

https://x.com/i/status/2000213911052644704

https://x.com/i/status/2046240887466803551

Sounds awful when you put it like that !

I thought Sun journalists were smart people pretending to be stupid. ZW is the other way around.

TBF, I expect a lot of Sun journalists went to Oxbridge too. it's hardly just the Graun.

Depressing a female editor is the one enforcing this rubbish...

Yes, I like Marina Hyde usually but I was surprised to find out she's the daughter of a baronet. Wonder how many others there are...🤔

Good point about Roma girls. Like boys, they are often withdrawn from school earlier and overlooked so guides being open could potentially be very helpful to some who could go

The thing is, they should just fully lean in to being TERFy

Not while Viner's in charge, I think.

To be fair the Guardian did have journalists like Bindel, Freeman, Moore, Sodha who all stuck up for women, only 3 of those were driven out by TRAs.
The thing is, they should just fully lean in to being TERFy. At the moment they're pleasing no one. If you go on trans reddit, they hate the Guardian & BBC due to a few critical things being published by each.

I’m a Guiding Leader too. I’m relieved about the ruling but the emails and communication from HQ are embarrassing. All this hand wringing and expensive consulting , yet GGUK don’t even know how many members are affected, For any members that do have to leave, I hope they’ll find their home in Scouts and are happy there.

We to have long waiting lists so I looks the the majority of our parents and carers are ignoring HQ and supporting local Guiders who are just cracking on doing what we do - girl lead activities in a girl only space.

Remember the Other Place, where she was referred to universally as Woe Zilliams? I must say, every point I'd thought of has already been made here.

Particularly just changing the name and refusing point blank to consider girls, whi want a boy free space.

She's Queen Chump.

trans girls she spelt boys wrong.

Reminds me of “send us your reckons”. She’s completely uninformed but definitely reckons something about it. And for some reason the Guardian is publishing it.

That is borderline child abuse. I read a few of the posts from him and it’s disgusting and that child is going to grow up all shades of fucked up and the parents will blame ‘society’ rather than understand their abuse of their little boy. Who looks like a boy and will continue to do so even more as the years go by. Poor thing.

Imagine, in the world according to Zoe, men's football would not have existed if the women's league had been allowed to continue after WW1. All those miners and brickies and ex-soldiers and machine workers would have been either obligated to watch the women's game, or no game at all. Or well over half of men in the game would never have made it as teams would have predominantly been women.
No wonder Zoe sees no issue with men in women's sport, they're no risk to women, women would always have been on top.
The woman is certifiably insane.

So for the second time in as many weeks I am forced to ask 'what on earth is the editor at the Guardian actually for?'

The quality of journalism at that rag is beyond shocking.

Yes. But birth certificates are not dramatic enough for people like Williams, who have to conjure up lurid fantasies to support their otherwise weak point. Previously I'd thought it was just the middle-age male pervert trans activists who were getting excited at the thought of genital inspections. Lord knows what is going through Williams's head that she is parroting this stuff.

I mean, I get it that the dead hand of the likes of Ian Dunt and Otto English keep flogging this dead horse, but what is it with Zoe? Is this really the fate of midwits in the media from her perspective that has to be identical to misogynists like Dunt and English? She has no humility at all.

I was a guardian read but stopped about 5 years ago, precisely because of rubbish such as this. My family stopped reading it too. It’ll be over soon id imagine at the rate they’re haemorrhaging readers.

A birth certificate is all that's needed, surely? You have to show when your child starts school, so it's not that much of an imposition.