Nice use of the bigly words Helleofa 😁

I wonder if our visitor thinks human bodies are like Morph’s, malleable plasticine that can be played with and reshaped with no consequences 🤔

What, that they've said that's what their user name is based on? Or is that just your fevered take as you know they're trans?

Definitely.
I thought it was a straightforward and interesting question.

Are you doubting me?
Advanced search is your friend.
It's all there.

I actually do think AidaP thought this was a question about men taking female hormones looking at Aida's first responses, because surely nobody would start a thread about women (unless they are transwomen).

😂 It is absolutely ridiculous on here, I honestly worry about people when the level of bonkers Cluedo is like this 😁

oh.... well... I never ...

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Yes. AidaP is a trans identifying male into kink.

I-had-a-P.....think about it....

I wonder will a replacement buck-eejit get drafted in?

Quoting my own post because I owe it to my mother to clarify that she was a lot more kick-ass than that, she used to say 'If you can't say anything nice...' to stop siblings squabbles, not to stifle us standing up for ourselves when necessary.
And I had no idea there was so much German influence on my behaviour!

It looks like AidaP has left the discussion, perhaps having* *had a
'Feck, I'm not just making myself look like an eejit with my pseudo-medical 'facts', I'm making myself look like a buck-eejit!'
moment. A wise move...

If you’re taking cross sex hormones you’re signing up for a lifetime of blood tests, monitoring levels, adjusting prescriptions, worrying about collecting prescriptions, paying for prescriptions, managing side effects, dealing with GPs, dealing with endocrinologist, explaining to health care workers like A&E and routine blood tests for other things…
All to manage a mental health problem.

If you’re taking cross sex hormones you’re signing up for a lifetime of blood tests, monitoring levels, adjusting prescriptions, worrying about collecting prescriptions, paying for prescriptions, managing side effects, dealing with GPs, dealing with endocrinologist, explaining to health care workers like A&E and routine blood tests for other things…
All to manage a mental health problem.

It's be some weeks since AidaP gave us the benefit of his made up biology, it was bollocks last, this time and every time.

I would think that messing around with your natural hormone production would have consequence later in life for female's. The menopause is a very definite physical event, male's don't experience anything that is the equivalent of it, all though obviously as they age things change.

It would be wrong for anyone to dismiss the justifiable concerns there are for the long term effects of the mis-use of powerful medication, especially as there is no benefit to be had from taking them because it is not possible for human being to change sex.

Omg I'd like to put to bed yet another ridiculous argument TRAs regurgitate - that our bodies produce estrogen and testosterone naturally, and some people whose bodies don't produce enough get treatment for that so it's safe for anyone to get the same treatment.

You know what else our bodies produce naturally? Insulin. Now, some people's bodies don't produce insulin the way it's supposed to so they inject themselves with insulin when they need to. They're called diabetics. So that means it's totally safe for anyone to inject themselves with extra insulin, right?

WRONG! Look up what happens to someone who isn't a diabetic who injects themselves with insulin.

Yes all of our bodies naturally produce testosterone and estrogen. And there are all sorts of stages in our lives or physical conditions where people may need to adjust those amounts. But when you start making adjustments when it's not needed, to otherwise physically healthy bodies that are already operating and developing naturally, there are negative results just as if someone who was not a diabetic injected themselves with a ton of insulin.

Young people who receive puberty blockers receive them because their glands that control puberty turn on earlier than they should - resulting in negative physical issues. Older women who take HRT do so because their body stops producing a healthy level of hormones. But if your body is already producing a healthy and normal amount of hormones, overloading it with a bunch of extra hormones causes a whole host of physical problems, big ones like increased rish of stroke and heart issues, even increases your cancer risk.

Medicines exist to treat the body when something is physically wrong with it. If there's nothing physically wrong with you and you're pumping your body full of things that your body doesn't need it's going to have the opposite effect.

This is obvious to all of us with working brains.

The posts using 'cis' are a good reminder that the term 'cis' is meaningless because the term includes any male person who has a DSD yet has a body that is **formed around the production of small gametes that has any degree of sensitivity to any of the testosterone that body produces.

Using this word, cis, then means there is no word left for female people.

Because even male people are now saying they are also ‘female’ . When ^^ female means only a person of the sex category where that person's body has been formed around the production of large gametes, regardless of whether the body does, has or ever will produce those large gametes. ie that requires the presence of ovaries or ovarian tissue - never testes.

In fact, we now have examples of many male people declaring that they are female people. So even the word for female has become meaningless in that sense.

But 'cis' is a* *word that was repurposed from its original usage and is meaningless for the purpose of discussing female people in its current usage. It has been used in academic papers as well in an attempt at using inclusive language which then renders the papers meaningless because the term is not describing a unique grouping of human bodies, even when it claims to be doing just that.

To see how this works, we have been told that 'girl' and 'woman' both now include:

1 Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **.
2 Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.
3 And any person who has a female body ^^.

Under the label of 'girl' and 'woman', extreme transgender activists have been telling us for years that those labels break down into two types of girls or women:

Cis and Transwomen/transgirls.

These terms mean:
Cis
= (1) Male person who has been incorrectly registered as a female at birth, but has a male body **
and
= (3) Any person who has a female body^^
Trans
= (2) Any male person has now claimed a transgender identity using those labels.

Therefore there is no unique word to mean female people who have a body ^^ formed around the production of large gametes.

Cis is meaningless as a unique description for female people and it always was. It is also misogynistic because it leaves female people with no unique word for their needs.

And so no, not even those labelled ‘cis’ women are ‘monolith’ because that category also includes male people ‘assigned female at birth’.

Lobotomies were celebrated treatments once.

"And body was designed for both hormones btw, it's made of singular mold, this is another thing well understood and tested over decades that the body will do by whatever hormones it is introduced with. It's quite marvelous really how little of a fuck the body minds."

Fucking hell. This is grim reading.

Did we ever need another example of just how dismissive of female people's health male people are?

Side effects to puberty blockers and male levels of testosterone on female bodies.... "It's quite marvelous really how little of a fuck the body minds."

It's quite marvelous really how little of a fuck the body minds.

When you see it, you cannot unsee it.

Similarly, electric shock treatment, which is still used very occasionally when all other less harmful treatments for severe mental illness have been found ineffective. But the risks of the well known negative side effects are taken into account, as are using puberty blockers for precocious puberty.

children whose puberty has started too early for their bodies

to be specific, because legally people up to age of 17 can be described and 'children', afaik precocious puberty is only regarded as something where it is possibly appropriate to cause hormonal delay is where the pubertal signs start before the age of 8, and delaying to 9 or 10 may make it easier for the child to cope.

And even that is now seen as a risky option.

Nail on head. 😊

I hear you.

How much trust can you have in someone who will tell you that they believe that a male person is a 'female' person?

Yep - as in blood-letting was once routine…,,

Martin Luther : 'ich kann nicht anders'
Marlene Dietrich: '🎶I can't hhhhellllp it'
My mother: 'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all'
😁

yep especially considering the

”But... we do it routinely.”

is never a good defence of any action or inaction shown to cause harm.