International Olympic Committee announcement today! Will it be regarding female sports?

It's amazing how when things are going well for the gender woowoo crowd everything's so simple you bigot, no debate, la la la I can't hear you. Yet when things aren't going so well all of a sudden it all becomes complex and nuanced and we ned to talk about it like adults. The hypocrisy and double standards are rife.

I was answering a PP who asked why the test would eliminate almost but not all male athletes from competing in the female category.

This is because the test used does not test for the presence of the Y chromosome directly, but rather for the presence of the SRY gene which is almost always carried on the Y chromosome.

However there are certain rare DSDs which may result in either a false negative or a false positive.

For the avoidance of doubt I am completely in favour of testing and preventing males from competing in female sport.

Gay people required nothing from anyone else and simply wanted the same rights as everyone else. Someone being gay has absolutely no effect on anyone else. Gay people didn't even require that no spaces remain that don't cater for them; religious communities remain that do not recognise same sex marriage and there has never been a significant issue with this. They just wanted the same rights to marry in civil law and to be able to form spaces that accepted this.

TRAs want people with trans identities to have additional rights that others don't have and which infringe on the rights of others, making it impossible for women to claim their rights to have safe spaces and fair sports. They want it to be illegal for women and girls to have their own toilets, changing spaces, rape crisis centres, sports or medical and personal care if any man refuses permission. They want the whole of society to change to reflect their self image, denying reality and the rights of half the population - all the population, really, given that men have a right to single sex spaces too. They do not want to allow any spaces that do not uphold their belief that men can be women, even though this is a lie. They would knock out gay rights too by denying homosexuality even exists, given that they say men can be lesbians and gay people shouldn't be allowed spaces for solely same sex attracted people.

There is no comparison.

Stop this whataboutery there are only 2 sexes. and they are XX & XY

r/transgenderUK had a huge thread on it, but the title had 'biological male' in the title without quotes, so it got deleted. 🤣

For me the central tension over this has boiled down to whether someones identity supercedes reality. In my understanding the changes in society over the 20/21st century with womens rights, gay rights and civil rights in the US pushed back at identity politics i.e. someones view of another person and grounded the law in reality.

I was critical of the Self-ID laws because there was no real discussion on how that would affect womens safety in public spaces, but I think a majority of the population lost sympathy at the Transwomen are women message and the inclusion of Laurel Hubbard at the Olympics.

The TG community have been embolded by the gay (men) community but have failed to understand that the messaging is different to gay rights. Gay people campaigned "to be who they truly are" where as Trans people actually want to be different to who they are.

I also agree with him on paper straws. Worryingly, that’s two things.

Huge thanks needs to go to Nic Williams from Fair Play for Women for being at the forefront of the demands for fair sport for women and having the steel ovaries to go to the IOC meeting despite an incredibly hostile environment.
Also thanks must go to all the individual women who wrote endless letters to their sports federation complaining about their trans inclusive policies. We’ve still a long way to go, especially in recreational sport but I do believe this will be the end of the madness in professional/elite sport.

Just as an aside . Are there many women pretending to be men demanding access to women’s bathrooms , sports etc or is it just men pretending to be women who cause the problem?

Someone has edited Lynsey Sharpe’s Wikipedia page with ‘true bronze medal winner at the Rio 2016 Olympics’

i feel so sorry for her. Not only did she miss out on a medal, to a casual listener on this topic at the time (me) the media spin on what she said was very much ‘she is a racist and implying that black women have significant advantage’.

They are biologically male, but identifying as women, which one could argue also makes them trans. This is a complex matter, but even though they have DSDs, they are male and they know it.

edited for clarity

it could in theory eliminate 46,XX individuals with a non-functional translocated SRY gene.

It also won’t eliminate 46,XY individuals who don’t have the SRY gene (one form of Swyer syndrome).

I think the boxing at the last Olympics was the final straw. To give a male a gold medal for hitting a female was indefensible. They couldn’t “be kind” their way out of that one.

Emma Hilton and Ross Tucker deserve thanks along with Nic Williams.

Wow. Comments on the thread in r/Olympics are heartening! Most are in agreement. A few of the usual utterly insane witterings about how awful it is but the majority of comments are supportive.

Great news

Excellent news. Congratulations must go to Dr Nic Williams from Fair Play for Women, for instigating and steering the fight back for so many years, along with Sharron Davies and Martina Navratilova.

It's crazy. Would they call disabled athletes bigots for not wanting to compete against able-bodied ones, because... Michael Phelps exists? It makes no sense.

Oh well, they'll just have to get over it.

The good news is that it will be very difficult for them to reverse this new policy without attracting a lot of scrutiny. They won't be able to just quietly allow males back into the female category.

The CAIS thing will have to be watched like a hawk. I wouldn't be surprised to see a two-stage process with stage 1 being SRY determination and, should it then be necessary, stage 2 being self-declaration of CAIS.

The most stupid argument coming out now is that it will mean "athletes finding out they have DSDs"

As if ignorance about a condition affecting your body is a good thing!

She might not need to use it. It could be just marketing.

Not only is the decision very welcome, but it's a great opportunity to put the scientific facts and figures in the public domain, coming not from 'the usual suspects' i.e. us GCers, but an international sporting organisation. Harder to dismiss.