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Paul O’Kane: I regret turning off my critical thinking on gender reforms

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IwantToRetire · 23/03/2026 22:43

O’Kane, who is now the party’s education spokesman and previously held the equalities brief, told Holyrood: “There is a lot that I regret about that whole process of the gender reforms. I regret sometimes turning off my critical thinking and allowing that thing to be something that somebody else would deal with, because I've got a view and my view’s fine.

I've since tried to take time to engage and I understand that we're going to have to try and find a way through that recognises the very legitimate concerns that women have and understanding where that comes from, because very often, for a lot of women, it comes from the deep-seated place of their own trauma and I regret not recognising that at the time.”

He also admitted that as Labour’s first openly gay MSP he felt “pressure” to “act in a certain way” when it came to the debate.
He said: “I think as the only gay member of the group, the Labour group, and the first gay man for the party elected to Holyrood, I did feel that there was a whole weight of pressure on me, on a whole range of issues. I think I did come in with a set view of who I needed to be within the Labour group and candidly, I probably didn't do a huge amount of critical thinking at times on the GRR bill and perhaps didn't engage until the end.”

From https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,paul-okane-i-regret-turning-off-my-critical-thinking-on-gender-reforms

Paul O’Kane: I regret turning off my critical thinking on gender reforms

The Labour MSP said there was “a lot that I regret” about the passage of the bill

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,paul-okane-i-regret-turning-off-my-critical-thinking-on-gender-reforms

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OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 25/03/2026 08:41

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OldCrone · 25/03/2026 07:37

TheKeatingFive · 24/03/2026 21:29

I agree with all of this. I'm not going to pick holes with his response. We need a lot more politicians to shift their views as he has

What did he think his role was as an MSP? To be some sort of puppet for the party who had to conform to a certain persona with prescribed views and who shouldn't engage his own brain and have his own opinions? That's how he makes it sound.

Did it really not occur to him that the people who voted for him expected him to behave like an intelligent, rational person, and that he should actually apply some thought to policies which were being discussed in parliament?

"I switched off my brain when these issues were being discussed" really doesn't show him in a good light, no matter what he's saying now.

ArabellaScott · 25/03/2026 06:31

Until a politician says they will move every last man out of women's prisons, their soothing words are meaningless.

IwantToRetire · 25/03/2026 01:08

like putting pressure on the rest of the Labour Party to engage in critical thinking

or even the Labour Party responding to what is effectively a criticism of them, as well as implying the Labour Party position is not a true one, but one that has been engineered.

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senua · 24/03/2026 22:15

TheKeatingFive · 24/03/2026 21:29

I agree with all of this. I'm not going to pick holes with his response. We need a lot more politicians to shift their views as he has

But he's only saying this because there is an election coming up. Words are cheap. I'd be more impressed if there was some action to go with it - like putting pressure on the rest of the Labour Party to engage in critical thinking, too.
The LP in Westminster are in the position to do something, I'd be happier if some of them saw the light. Currently they are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

TheKeatingFive · 24/03/2026 21:29

stickydough · 24/03/2026 20:56

I feel quite heartened by this. Yes the trauma bit is annoying but I like that he has said he didn’t think critically, he didn’t listen, and that he acted out of feeling pressured. We need to let people say they were wrong to make it easier for others to do so, and to encourage them to listen. Better if they could do it because of genuinely giving a shit in the first place, but I’d rather focus on the positives here.

I agree with all of this. I'm not going to pick holes with his response. We need a lot more politicians to shift their views as he has

stickydough · 24/03/2026 20:56

I feel quite heartened by this. Yes the trauma bit is annoying but I like that he has said he didn’t think critically, he didn’t listen, and that he acted out of feeling pressured. We need to let people say they were wrong to make it easier for others to do so, and to encourage them to listen. Better if they could do it because of genuinely giving a shit in the first place, but I’d rather focus on the positives here.

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IwantToRetire · 24/03/2026 19:37

Everybodys · 24/03/2026 18:33

I agree. It's one of the easier entry points for Team GC. Trauma, prisons and blokes in sports. It shouldn't be so, but it is, so here we are.

I think it works against us, not just with men but with women.

Because it is about othering. Those other women who have the problem (of course it is there fault).

By thinking that if we think like men we will win them over, we wont. They will just be confirmed as they always are, that they are right.

It is really important, and after all is the Supreme Court ruling, that women's sex based rights should NOT be considered less important than trans rights.

FO with the victim approach.

Focus on the oppressor, because without doing that women's rights will always be only what men on occasion think women should have.

Let alone the blatant fact that this approach hasn't worked. In fact it has worked against us.

It if the whole basis of why labour felt it could make single sex provision just a minority occassional need. Not a basic one.

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Everybodys · 24/03/2026 18:33

theilltemperedamateur · 24/03/2026 09:14

Fatted calf, anyone?

I'm glad he's done it and I'm glad he talked about trauma - because that will get through to his target audience much more effectively than arguments that can be misconstrued as bio-essentialist nitpicking or conservative prudery.

Trauma might not be universal but it is real, particularly in contexts like prisons and DV refuges. Nothing wrong with getting people to think really hard about what 'inclusivity' means for women in those situations.

I agree. It's one of the easier entry points for Team GC. Trauma, prisons and blokes in sports. It shouldn't be so, but it is, so here we are.

CompleteGinasaur · 24/03/2026 18:18

Do you think @BoiledBeetle could ask a few of the Bluestocking Gerbils to give me a hand finding something? Only I'm too traumatised to find it for myself, and I know I put my very last fuck down around here somewhere..

UninformedOfficer · 24/03/2026 17:38

It's good that he's admitted he didn't think it through. But it's concerning that even a politician with an equalities brief doesn't understand the difference between "rights" and "kindness".

Rights are something you have solely on the basis of belonging to a particular group, not because somebody feels sorry for you. A prisoner, no matter how terrible their crimes, has the right not to be kept in prolonged solitary confinement. A child, no matter how unruly, has the right to be educated.

If it's a right, you should just get it, you don't have to earn it. If women have the right to single sex provision they shouldn't have to justify it by talking about trauma, or anything else.

On the other hand, kindness you might have to earn. You need somebody to feel sorry for you, so that they'll bend the rules for you. Getting the other person to feel guilty for not experiencing whatever unpleasantness you are experiencing can be very helpful for you. But you will only get the benefit as long as you can keep the other person feeling protective towards you.

TRAs have been so successful because they are telling a compelling sob story while women have been countering with logic: "We are the group entitled to these rights; we don't need to earn them".

And even though it was literally his job to understand about rights, Paul still seems to be thinking in terms of kindness, and who has a good sob story.

IwantToRetire · 24/03/2026 17:12

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 24/03/2026 17:07

His focus is on "trauma" so he doesn't have to admit that he screwed over the lesbian half of his "gay community". A bunch of farty old Supreme Court judges managed to be more "intersectional" than he was.

I didn't mean his focus, I meant the number of commentators also focusing on trauma.

Rather that the basis of it all - the sex class divide.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 24/03/2026 17:07

His focus is on "trauma" so he doesn't have to admit that he screwed over the lesbian half of his "gay community". A bunch of farty old Supreme Court judges managed to be more "intersectional" than he was.

IwantToRetire · 24/03/2026 17:02

Not sure why there is so much focus on "trauma". That is just part of the Labour narrative that of course just a tiny few women (as if) have had "bad" experiences with men and so need their "safe spaces". That why we so kindly having prioritised trans rights in the EA bill we drafted, we were good enough to cater to these "few" women.

That's why we are now at last, even if it didn't transfer to public awareness now have groups like "Sex Matters" because that is the issue.

Not just the biology but that the sex class system that consistently and persistently puts the class of men first and above the sex class of women.

It just indicates (and of course not just the Labour Party) that men just do not understand the daily, endless, habits and social norms, that tell women "know your place".

It is only because this attitude is so entrenched that the Labour Party concoted an "Equality" Bill that put the needs of less than 10,000 people as being more important than the rights of 50% of the population because after all they are just women.

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Summerhillsquare · 24/03/2026 16:49

MyAmpleSheep · 23/03/2026 23:14

This is not a reverse ferret. It might, perhaps, be a forward weasel.

You win the internet today 🤣

HoppityBun · 24/03/2026 16:42

EmeraldRoulette · 24/03/2026 08:00

@PriOn1 I think that's rather unfair - plenty of gay people have not fallen for this nonsense.

I'm quite confused by your own explanation with the medical needs thing

I'm gonna go to my grave needing an explanation for how the hell all this happened though. It's not critical thinking it's just thinking and either people decided to suspend it completely for some reason or they're really dumb.

The trauma thing is also ridiculous, but perhaps he's speaking to a section of society for whom certain keywords mightwork.

I know that “some” gay people have not fallen for the nonsense, but my experience is that the more active rainbow gays adopted the trans trauma narrative without any thought at all.

icantbelievet23432 · 24/03/2026 16:42

MyAmpleSheep · 24/03/2026 16:35

It’s an “I’m sorry I wasn’t able to persuade you you are wrong” apology. Almost as bad as an “I’m sorry if you were offended” one.

Ah then sod him

MyAmpleSheep · 24/03/2026 16:35

It’s an “I’m sorry I wasn’t able to persuade you you are wrong” apology. Almost as bad as an “I’m sorry if you were offended” one.

icantbelievet23432 · 24/03/2026 16:07

I think an apology is better than "i didn't do anything wrong, it's all your fault". so by that count he's 100x better than most.

But I don't know this guy and how weasely he is

EmeraldRoulette · 24/03/2026 15:22

@PriOn1 thank you for your reply. I appreciate you taking the time to explain that.

re the medical and mental health thing. I had a lot of correspondence with the local MP and other people prior to the 2004 legislation. I heard a lot of crap, but that actually isn't something that came up in explanations from officials, at least not that I can recall.

A couple of friends mentioned it to me and I did explain why I thought it was nonsense, but they did not take that well.

ArabellaScott · 24/03/2026 14:43

Frankly, Labour, I'm at this stage:

college board ap exam GIF
ArabellaScott · 24/03/2026 14:40

Labour appear to have twigged this is an election issue at last.

We all remember their assurances pre WM general election.

We can all see Bridget Philipson and Wes Streeting.

SpookyQ · 24/03/2026 13:53

Paul actually appeared canvassing at my door in the middle of Sandie’s tribunal last year. After questioning him on the state of the entire place I tentatively asked if he could tell me if there were any interesting tribunal’s ongoing. He was well versed in Sandies case and did apologise for not knowing enough previously. He was able to confirm what a woman was and didn’t mention trauma, I spoke to him about worrying for my 2 daughters as they grown up and actually I thought he was alright.

However, I later e mailed his colleague MP Johanna Baxter, MP re EHRC and the sex matters campaign and received absolutely zero response. So I’m almost back to not believing any party particularly care about women and girls.

ArabellaScott · 24/03/2026 13:35

theilltemperedamateur · 24/03/2026 09:14

Fatted calf, anyone?

I'm glad he's done it and I'm glad he talked about trauma - because that will get through to his target audience much more effectively than arguments that can be misconstrued as bio-essentialist nitpicking or conservative prudery.

Trauma might not be universal but it is real, particularly in contexts like prisons and DV refuges. Nothing wrong with getting people to think really hard about what 'inclusivity' means for women in those situations.

If someone cannot conceive of why women don't want men in their spaces and are genuinely unable to join the rather large dots between MVAWG and this topic, then they are not fit for holding any kind of office. IMO.

Women shouldn't need to air their personal trauma histories to convince dimwits.