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Tribunal discussion thread supporting FayeRC in case against NHS England part 2

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Jimmyneutronsforehead · 20/03/2026 23:00

Today the tribunal concluded it's oral submissions 20/03/26 for the case of Faye Russell-Caldicott v. NHSE

Gardening is still underway, please search Faye Russell-Caldicott Crowd Justice to offer seeds of support. Less than 12 days left to get to target. If you're a woman, you know a woman, and you value women, this case does affect you as we could all find ourselves in this position with our employers and we need to send a message that we won't tolerate having our rights removed. Please if you can, send some gardening funds to the CJ page to help cover the legal fees associated with this case.

This is a continuation thread from: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5504170-tribunal-discussion-thread-supporting-fayerc-in-case-against-nhs-england-starting-160326?page=1

Thank you to everybody for showing your support to the wonderful @FayeRC. ❤️

It will be approximately 1 month before there's a verdict, and a provisional date set in August for a remedial hearing should the court find in FayeRC's favour.

Tribunal discussion thread supporting FayeRC in case against NHS England starting 16/03/26 | Mumsnet

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ProfDrLapwing · 06/08/2026 17:10

Even the remedies hearing is bad for my blood pressure.

It reminds me of the all the bullying, the obfuscation, the passing of the buck; to say nothing of the waste of tax payers’ money while people and committees faff around looking for ways to circumvent the law.

Brava to the women who have put their heads above the parapet, but they should never have had to. Stonewall and all those who rushed to support this madness should hang their heads in shame.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2026 16:53

Yvette Cooper was very definite in an interview that single sex spaces had to be on the basis of biological sex and said “guidance was soon to be published” for the NHS. Though many commenters weren’t convinced.

Kirschcherries · 06/08/2026 16:40

Hm it seems from TT that NHSE have been very tardy in reviewing their TG policy and implementing FWS.

Plus lots of female employees are too scared to put their head above the parapet even though they agree with Faye.

It’s actually really scary the level of institutional misogyny. The Trust obviously have unisex/gender neutral facilities but TIMs are pushing back on any change.

hholiday · 06/08/2026 12:39

Good luck Faye. Xxxx

murasaki · 06/08/2026 12:15

Good luck Faye. Whatever you get won't touch the sides of what you have been through, or what your bravery deserves, but I hope it's as good as it can be.

DrSpartacularsMagnificentOctopus · 06/08/2026 10:00

Good luck Faye Flowers

impossibletoday · 06/08/2026 08:30

Just came on to post this!

MarieDeGournay · 06/08/2026 00:48

Best of luck to Faye, you have put so much of your time and energy and commitment on the line over this, nothing will give that back to you but I hope you get something that feels like a degree of recognition and compensationFlowers

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2026 00:40

You could give it a go. I will be following on line and wish Faye the best of luck in getting a decent settlement.

WFTCHTJ · 06/08/2026 00:24

Just seen on twitter the remedies hearing is tomorrow today for 2 days
https://nitter.net/FayeRCTribunal/status/2085070505430663242
Not sure if it's too late to ask for access.

MarieDeGournay · 10/06/2026 17:17

I hope SEEN have had lots of posters printed, so they can just keep on replacing them every time they are removedSmile

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 10/06/2026 16:08

WingBingo · 10/06/2026 15:52

I am a member!

Yay!

WingBingo · 10/06/2026 15:52

I am a member!

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 10/06/2026 15:32

WingBingo · 10/06/2026 14:05

I’d also like to know who is putting them up and shake their hand!

You can join SEEN in Health - they’d love to have you:

seeninhealth.org/join/

WingBingo · 10/06/2026 14:05

I’d also like to know who is putting them up and shake their hand!

StellaAndCrow · 10/06/2026 13:35

WingBingo · 10/06/2026 13:26

A Seen in Healthcare poster was on the back of the toilet door this morning and it has already been taken down!

Oh and I’m in the NHSE building in Leeds.

Well that's interesting isn't it. Who at NHS England is taking down these posters?

WingBingo · 10/06/2026 13:26

A Seen in Healthcare poster was on the back of the toilet door this morning and it has already been taken down!

Oh and I’m in the NHSE building in Leeds.

Tribunal discussion thread supporting FayeRC in case against NHS England part 2
Chrysanthemum5 · 06/06/2026 16:14

Exactly @moto748eand you just know if the tribunals or cases had gone the other way changes would have happened immediately

moto748e · 06/06/2026 16:04

There seems to be a pattern here: women win court cases and tribunals, and fuck all changes.

BrownBookshelf · 18/05/2026 20:02

Yeah, I don't think it would preclude a Muslim/other faith man from making that case and providing such evidence. It's just Faye had no evidence that had happened on this occasion, and perhaps it didn't.

GenderlessVoid · 18/05/2026 19:48

Londonmummy66 · 18/05/2026 19:20

If female Muslims are excluded from a trans inclusive female space because their religion bans them from undressing in front of men does the converse not apply - I can't see any of the Muslim me I know being prepared to undress in front of women?

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As I said in the post you quoted, it seems that FayeRC's team didn't provide evidence that showed harm to Muslim men. As claimants, they have the burden of proving that Muslim men were injured.

Londonmummy66 · 18/05/2026 19:20

GenderlessVoid · 14/05/2026 08:25

I agree with this
I think they got easily to out and out Stinewall & Union engineered and org sponsored discrimination of women so fast they didn’t bother too hard addressing those points.

NHS conceded group disadvantage to women who were Muslims, but not to Muslims as a whole. FayeRC "did not provide any evidence that male Muslims (as well as female Muslims) were disadvantaged by the application of the PCPs [Provision, Criterion or Practices]." Further "[t]he claimant’s representative stated at the start of the hearing that the claimant did not wish to make a formal amendment application but clarified that her indirect discrimination complaint related to female Muslims only."

It seems like FayeRC's team believed that indirect combined discrimination was prohibited by the Equality Act. If they didn't provide evidence that Muslim men as well as Muslim women suffered indirect discrimination from NHS's PCPs, I don't understand how they could prevail on the claim that Muslim men were also discriminated against. Maybe I'm missing something.

The next person who sues for indirect discrimination as a result of religion should demonstrate that the policy harms both men and women. As you say, they might have been able to show that here. But they didn't provide any evidence so they lost.

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If female Muslims are excluded from a trans inclusive female space because their religion bans them from undressing in front of men does the converse not apply - I can't see any of the Muslim me I know being prepared to undress in front of women?

SexRealistic · 14/05/2026 12:25

Keeptoiletssafe · 14/05/2026 12:23

Sex Matters can update their fact sheet 😁

https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Workplace-toilets-factsheet.pdf

I’ve already suggested that….