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Mmmnotsure · 27/03/2026 18:04

nauticant · 27/03/2026 16:13

They've just broadcast JM's "official" Radio 4 obituary on Last Word. For some reason they announced that they'd be providing one that was more about her as a person rather than in terms of her career. Odd choice, I don't recall them having done this for any other subject before.

What this meant was that, unsurprisingly, a key part of her career at the BBC, how it ended, was not referred to at all.

Orwell modelled the Ministry of Truth in 1984 on the BBC.

It was both misogynistic and cowardly.

Presenter doesn't dare to actually look at what she achieved and fought for (unlike the other people covered), or the role of the BBC in cancelling her, because that would involve a difficult subject.

So hey, let's concentrate on how she drank wine with her mate and her son's comments on her driving an expensive car.

nauticant · 27/03/2026 16:13

They've just broadcast JM's "official" Radio 4 obituary on Last Word. For some reason they announced that they'd be providing one that was more about her as a person rather than in terms of her career. Odd choice, I don't recall them having done this for any other subject before.

What this meant was that, unsurprisingly, a key part of her career at the BBC, how it ended, was not referred to at all.

Orwell modelled the Ministry of Truth in 1984 on the BBC.

WhereAreWeNow · 27/03/2026 10:10

MassiveWordSalad · 27/03/2026 09:17

I noticed Zoe Williams wrote a piece in the Guardian praising Jenni. No mention of why she left WH, of course. Fuck off Zoe, you have no idea what the word feminism even means.

That's really galling. ZW has been hopeless on trans stuff and IIRC very quick to smear women who shared Jenni's views as bigots/idiots/reactionaries.

MassiveWordSalad · 27/03/2026 09:17

I noticed Zoe Williams wrote a piece in the Guardian praising Jenni. No mention of why she left WH, of course. Fuck off Zoe, you have no idea what the word feminism even means.

JustPlainStanfreyPock · 27/03/2026 07:52

Thank you very much, love the 'sniffing reflected glory in a battle won' comment, so true!

nauticant · 26/03/2026 15:33

Put it into the search function of https://www.archive.ph and see what you get.

JustPlainStanfreyPock · 26/03/2026 07:41

DustyWindowsills · 25/03/2026 21:28

Thanhs, but has anyone got a share token or can archive this? No subscription!

JoyousAsOtters · 25/03/2026 22:34

DustyWindowsills · 25/03/2026 21:28

Nicely put Janice. Great bit of context.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/03/2026 20:25

ScrollingLeaves · 23/03/2026 15:18

Yes, this is the leg-shaving episode. India Willoughby basically misunderstands.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04kcj90/player

I had forgotten to add this.

BBC Radio 4 - Woman's Hour, Should women shave their legs for work?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04kcj90/player

JustPlainStanfreyPock · 23/03/2026 20:10

lcakethereforeIam · 23/03/2026 19:05

Another absolutely lovely and trenchant article by Julie Bindel

https://archive.ph/xDVDm

https://unherd.com/2026/03/how-the-bbc-betrayed-jenni-murray/?edition=us

This is a great article and a much needed antidote to the rewriting of history that is happening over the appalling way the BBC treated one of their finest broadcasters.

71Alex · 23/03/2026 20:00

maltravers · 21/03/2026 21:03

Jane Garvey seems to be suggesting in this article that Jenni was pushed out because she didn’t want to build a social media presence. Nothing to do with her GC position on trans issues then..?

The comments were great though, lots of them correcting this

ScrollingLeaves · 23/03/2026 19:52

Thank you. I am so glad she has spoken out about this.

EdithStourton · 23/03/2026 15:24

ExitPursuedByABare · 23/03/2026 14:31

I had to turn it off after the first 10 minutes. Could tell which way it was heading.

Was it on WH with Jenni that Windy Illiaboy talked about the shaving of legs?

This why I have pretty much permanently turned off R4: it reached a point of complete (and often preachy) predictability.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/03/2026 15:18

ExitPursuedByABare · 23/03/2026 14:31

I had to turn it off after the first 10 minutes. Could tell which way it was heading.

Was it on WH with Jenni that Windy Illiaboy talked about the shaving of legs?

Yes, this is the leg-shaving episode. India Willoughby basically misunderstands.

ExitPursuedByABare · 23/03/2026 14:31

I had to turn it off after the first 10 minutes. Could tell which way it was heading.

Was it on WH with Jenni that Windy Illiaboy talked about the shaving of legs?

ScrollingLeaves · 23/03/2026 13:34

nauticant · 23/03/2026 10:20

They went on and on and on about JM's fearlessness and being willing to ask difficult questions and yet, that characteristic that led to the end of her career was completely ignored.

They even ended by talking about her lasting contribution being to give women a voice and to enable them to discuss taboo subjects.

In its way, that was shameful.

Sorry, I missed your post before.

It was shameful. It was the elephant in the room. They might try to argue that they wanted to praise Jenni by recounting only her golden moments. But when she stood up for women by saying women are not interchangeable with transwomen (males), that was a crowning achievement.

They might argue that they were talking about her special on-air interviews, and this was said in an article, but to my mind they should not have omitted it.

MimiGC · 23/03/2026 12:08

They very obviously avoided any mention of her leaving and the reasons for that. Very disappointing and it must be hurtful for her family, who presumably know the truth.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/03/2026 10:53

Woman’s Hour this morning was talking about her and her qualities including how she stood up for women.

Shamefully no mention was made about how she was in fact so brave in standing up for women that she dared state the fact that women are different from transwomen (males) in the experiences and needs, only to be punished for doing so by the BBC.

The shame was theirs not hers.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/03/2026 10:48

PrettyDamnCosmic · 22/03/2026 12:46

Sally Feldman is a former WH editor. She was interviewed by Nick Robinson on the Today programme las Friday about her friend Jenni Murray. Unfortunately Harriet Harman was also a guest.

I think it was Feldman on an interview who made it seem as though the trans issue [actually women’s issue that women are distinct from transwomen (males)], which Jenni had brought up, was Jenni not being quite as good as she usually was. (My paraphrase, unfortunately I can’t re-find it to listen to, but I think someone else on this thread heard it too.)

nauticant · 23/03/2026 10:43

To add insult to injury, they've now got a "women and birthing people" guest on talking about maternity care. At least the presenter referred to "pregnant women"

nauticant · 23/03/2026 10:20

They went on and on and on about JM's fearlessness and being willing to ask difficult questions and yet, that characteristic that led to the end of her career was completely ignored.

They even ended by talking about her lasting contribution being to give women a voice and to enable them to discuss taboo subjects.

In its way, that was shameful.

nauticant · 23/03/2026 10:07

The presenter, whose name escapes, me is a regular but presents less frequently than McGovern and Rani.