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Men who say they are women

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Shedmistress · 20/03/2026 08:27

Men who say they are women and then also say 'I don't like men in women's spaces'.

They totally understand that the men that are in women's spaces, are them, right?

They must know that.

We know they know that.

They know that we know they know that.

They know full well that the reason 'nobody has ever challenged me' is because women don't want a punch in the face. Or to face years of a tribunal because the man who says he is a woman went crying to the manager.

They say they are victims of the patricarchy, but they ARE the patriarchy. They know this. Because they are men.

This whole 'needing to use female spaces' comes from the doctors who would only sign off on a surgery if the men had duped people into allowing them to use female spaces, and to which we refer back to the above points of nobody wanting to challenge them. Not because of the potential for male violence, just for the exploitation of females who don't want to be punched.

I find it fascinating, i really do, the delusion to which we are all supposed to dance around and the deletions when women just say no. Or when women refer to their own situations having come across these men and the inferences that 'we've never met one, so how would we even tell'. For me it is the personal experiences that made me as hard line as I am.

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Kirridge · 20/03/2026 11:41

IsoldeWagner · 20/03/2026 10:18

Genuine question, why can't he use the men's toilet to do this?.

I assume for two reasons .

Because he thinks he has successfully altered his appearance enough that he looks more like a woman than a man, and that he will attract more attention in the men's toilets. I don't mean aggression, but just "wrong toilets" comments. He may be right or wrong about this.

Because as I've said, he actually believes he has a female brain, and to him brain sex trumps body sex. Therefore he believes he is a woman, and has as much right as I do to use the women's toilets, and no right to use the men's.

Greyskybluesky · 20/03/2026 11:39

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 11:29

I may have been born male, but I’m still a woman

"Woman" is not an identity or a costume.

Born male, you're a man.

StellaAndCrow · 20/03/2026 11:38

Helleofabore · 20/03/2026 08:55

A reminder of how long these discussions have been happening.
This letter from Angela Douglas back in 1977 is something to keep remembering.

(The tweet linking it also has an article from Germaine Greer which is also a very good reminder.)

https://x.com/hennieinglis/status/2031067162975117536?s=46

Dear Sister,
In regards to the Sandy Stone controversy: genetic women- Gennys-have never had to suffer the discrimination, self-hatred or fear that a transsexual must endure and survive in their lives. Genetic women are not ridiculed as severely, killed, tortured and arrested simply because they are
transsexual, as are transsexuals. Genetic women have many rights, in comparison to transsexuals, who havenone.

Genetic women cannot possess the very special courage, brilliance, sensitivity and compassion-and overview-that derives from the transsexual experience. Free from the chains of menstruation and child- bearing. transsexual women are obviously far superior to Gennys inmany ways.

As some of you have discovered. because of the severity of the genocidal attitudes we must deal with all of our lives, many transsexuals have learned how to fight without giving any quarter or showing any mercy.

Genetic women are becoming quite obsolete, which is obvious, and the
future belongs to transsexual women. We know this, and perhaps some of you suspect it. All you have left is your “ability" to bear children, and in a world which will groan to feed 6 billion by the year 2000, that's a negative asset.

Transsexual and veryproud,
Angela Douglas
Berkeley
Reprinted from Sister August-September, 1977

The warning to women who don’t agree were part of that discussion even then.

”many transsexuals have learned how to fight without giving any quarter or showing any mercy.”

We were warned not to show resistance to men getting what they wanted.

Crikey that genocide has been going on for a long time!

Coatsoff42 · 20/03/2026 11:38

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 11:29

I may have been born male, but I’m still a woman

You were born a man and you’re still a man, but now also an entitled man appropriating what’s not yours.

BettyBooper · 20/03/2026 11:36

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 11:29

I may have been born male, but I’m still a woman

And a blood test would come up with which sex? 🤔

TheKeatingFive · 20/03/2026 11:35

FranticFrankie · 20/03/2026 11:32

You must know this isn't correct!
Really??? 😆

Of course he knows. It's just fuckwittery

Coatsoff42 · 20/03/2026 11:35

HarrietofFire · 20/03/2026 11:08

What I would like is some sort of hand or eye signal that I could use to indicate to a trans identifying man that I know he is a man. It appears that unless you point and shout ‘you’re a man’ they think they pass and think you don’t know and can’t tell. Personally, pointing and shouting is a bit of a rude approach for me so I don’t do it.

I would also appreciate an acceptable form of words to let a trans identifying man know that I am not comfortable with him using women only spaces, particularly toilets as I have been the victim of a male voyeur previously. Maybe the trans identifying man on this thread could help me out.

I’ve asked this before, what would be the acceptable way of saying: I know you are a man, I’m not comfortable with you here at all, I don’t feel safe using a single sex space with a man in it, don’t use this space. There’s never an answer. The tip toeing around men with mental health conditions continues…

Shedmistress · 20/03/2026 11:35

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 11:29

I may have been born male, but I’m still a woman

This is my point. You are the man in the women's toilets that you don't like.

You need to look in the mirror and stop believing your own lies.

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Gotback · 20/03/2026 11:34

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 11:29

I may have been born male, but I’m still a woman

Utter crap. You're a man. And it's obvious to everyone around you. And to us.

FranticFrankie · 20/03/2026 11:32

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 11:22

Nope, just a woman like you

You must know this isn't correct!
Really??? 😆

TheKeatingFive · 20/03/2026 11:30

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 11:29

I may have been born male, but I’m still a woman

Utter bullshit. As you well know. As I've said before, we aret entertaining liars.

Greyskybluesky · 20/03/2026 11:30

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 11:29

I may have been born male, but I’m still a woman

No, you are not.
It is impossible.
Born male, forever male.
ETA: Forever a man (for the avoidance of doubt and sophistry)

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 11:29

TheKeatingFive · 20/03/2026 11:25

Based on your previous post, you aren't a woman, you're a man. Enough of this gaslighting, we cannot be dealing with liars.

I may have been born male, but I’m still a woman

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 20/03/2026 11:26

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 20/03/2026 10:14

Look I have been really down in the detail on this for the last 18 months. My legal case about single sex changing spaces etc has meant I have looked a huge amount into Reddit, Trans blogs, other legal cases, personal statements etc.

You have to understand this very central pillar. In fact it is THE central pillar.

Put aside what you think, what you know, put aside your opinions and knowledge of science, of everything.

They actually believe that when someone says they are transgender, they are, and have always been, the other sex.

It's not a blag, it's not double think in order to get access to female spaces. It's really, truly, all the way to the core, what they think is as factual as the sky is blue.

Once you understand this - their behaviour and statements suddenly makes sense - as in if you thought those things, you would act the same as well.

They think they are on the right side of history. They truly think we are nazis and bigots.

Of course they are factually and demonstrably wrong. But this belief is so utterly core to their existence that it's very difficult to show them contrary evidence, and when you do they often resort to violence because they cannot deal with the cognitive dissonance of what they truly core believe and facts in front of them.

It is a core psychological phenomena.

@TiredOfYourLiesAgain would like to hear your views on this.

Greyskybluesky · 20/03/2026 11:26

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 11:22

Nope, just a woman like you

Anyone born male is never a woman.

Your user name is highly appropriate in this context.

TheKeatingFive · 20/03/2026 11:25

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 11:22

Nope, just a woman like you

Based on your previous post, you aren't a woman, you're a man. Enough of this gaslighting, we cannot be dealing with liars.

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 11:22

BunfightBetty · 20/03/2026 11:15

Must identify as a man who says he's a woman.

Nope, just a woman like you

BunfightBetty · 20/03/2026 11:17

HarrietofFire · 20/03/2026 11:08

What I would like is some sort of hand or eye signal that I could use to indicate to a trans identifying man that I know he is a man. It appears that unless you point and shout ‘you’re a man’ they think they pass and think you don’t know and can’t tell. Personally, pointing and shouting is a bit of a rude approach for me so I don’t do it.

I would also appreciate an acceptable form of words to let a trans identifying man know that I am not comfortable with him using women only spaces, particularly toilets as I have been the victim of a male voyeur previously. Maybe the trans identifying man on this thread could help me out.

The one that immediately sprung to mind is Jasper Carrott's old way of signing 'dickhead', but it's not subtle...

TheKeatingFive · 20/03/2026 11:16

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 10:56

Well, no one should also be expecting a group of people to put themselves at risk to extend 'empathy' to them for their personal decisions and beliefs
Aren’t you asking this of transsexual women? You want us to put ourselves at risk because of your gender critical beliefs

No. You're not being put at risk. There is not shred of evidence for that.

We are asking you to ...

Respect the law

Respect women's rights to safety, dignity

Respect women's consent.

Fundamentally, think about someone other than yourself for a damn change.

That's a very female quality btw. One that you are utterly lacking.

BunfightBetty · 20/03/2026 11:15

Shedmistress · 20/03/2026 11:08

You cannot help yourself can you? It is like putting sweeties in front of a toddler.

Must identify as a man who says he's a woman.

Greyskybluesky · 20/03/2026 11:15

Yes @HarrietofFire it would be interesting to know what would be acceptable.

I suspect the answer is "nothing". We've asked this before. Posters have quoted the law, explained their own trauma, set out their reasons clearly. It made no impact. None. Posters were told they were "weaponising their trauma" by talking about attacks or voyeurs, as you have. Which is beyond disgusting.

Basically, they're going to do it because they want to do it. What a woman wants, and is legally entitled to, makes no difference at all.

IsoldeWagner · 20/03/2026 11:15

MarieDeGournay · 20/03/2026 11:13

Great question!
[the poster said her trains friend ' shoots straight into the cubicle, head down, then shoots out, head down, flits his hands under the tap, and shoots out again'.]

Dressed in a 'unisex' style as she says he does, there's no reason why he couldn't - in complete anonymity and safety - use the men's in similar manner.

Well spotted, IsoldeWagnerSmile

Thanks, I genuinely can't see the reason for him not to use the men's loo.
There's no answer so far.....

BunfightBetty · 20/03/2026 11:15

TiredOfYourLiesAgain · 20/03/2026 10:56

Well, no one should also be expecting a group of people to put themselves at risk to extend 'empathy' to them for their personal decisions and beliefs
Aren’t you asking this of transsexual women? You want us to put ourselves at risk because of your gender critical beliefs

You're not being asked, you've been told.

The law is clear.

The reason for women's single sex spaces being created in the first place was for women's safety and dignity, based on risks and disadvantages we face because of our biology. They are not, and never have been, spaces for males.

If you really feel you shouldn't have to use male single sex facilities, then campaign for a space of your own. We're not going to give up our protections so you can have them instead.

FranticFrankie · 20/03/2026 11:14

TOYLA- you're not 'at risk'. This has been shown to be incorrect, unless someone has statistics I've not seen????
Most men (so I'm told) go into a loo, do the necessary and get out!
And even if you were at risk, that isn't women's problem to solve, it's on men. We are not shields for men; it's a full time job looking out for ourselves!
We have enough to cope with, re VAWG thank you

MarieDeGournay · 20/03/2026 11:13

IsoldeWagner · 20/03/2026 10:18

Genuine question, why can't he use the men's toilet to do this?.

Great question!
[the poster said her trains friend ' shoots straight into the cubicle, head down, then shoots out, head down, flits his hands under the tap, and shoots out again'.]

Dressed in a 'unisex' style as she says he does, there's no reason why he couldn't - in complete anonymity and safety - use the men's in similar manner.

Well spotted, IsoldeWagnerSmile