Women’s Hour - Transwoman Talking About Misogyny WTAF?

This was the book she wrote about her experiences:
Self-Made Man: My Year Disguised as a Man
Norah Vincent
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Made_Man_(book)

Why didn't they go for a child development psychologist, who at least understands the current environment for boys growing up. They could even have stuck with their Australian guest agenda. Steve Biddulph springs to mind.

Trans ‘men’ are always an afterthought with trans shite.

Funny how things work out, eh?

Something, something male privilege.

I agree that would make a fascinating programme.

Please excuse the derail but: there was once a radio programme about 3 years ago, almost like that, all about a woman who disguised herself as a man and lived that way for about a year. I think she may have written a book about it. But she was in no way ‘trans’. She just wanted to see the difference compared to living as a woman.

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I noticed that the woman interviewee had to talk at 3 times the speed of the transwoman, because ... Despite her knowledge and wisdom, she's used to being interrupted when men get bored, talked over if she doesn't make her point quickly enough. The transwoman belaboured clichéd points, and was more convincing at describing what boys and men could be going thru, than guessing what it is a 25-40 year old tradwife/SAHM might be feeling. Joke. Sad, exhausting joke.

It could have been genuinely interesting to have invited transmen to talk about whether colleagues (who knew them before transition) still viewed them as women ie expected to make the tea, organise leaving cards etc. Do transmen report blokey sexist bants from male colleagues, or do they join in? Do tradies speak to them differently about jobs?

But no, the default option is to invite a man on.

I think ‘Ludicrous’ was an excerpt from the article being used as part of the headline.

It was showing that many people wrote to the BBC because they think the BBC was ludicrous to have invited this transwoman (male) to speak about misogyny.

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One part of Nuala's interview made me chuckle. She had to rapidly step in when her guest started to stray from the path of righteousness - transcribed from the broadcast (about 48m 30s in)

Guest: What we're also seeing is young boys being exposed to the influence of the impact of body dysmorphia the the risk of thinking that the way you need to change your body is through the use of steroids through the use of looks maxing

Hmmm, sounds like parts of the online community are taking advantage of young boys with body dismorphia, convincing them to recklessly take unnecessary drugs and seek surgery to change the way that their bodies look.

Sound familiar?

Nuala (abruptly butting in): And I wanted to I wanted to stop you there with the looks maxing which you had mentioned I just wanted you to finish your point.

Aaaagh, don't go there

Nuala: So this is a subculture online that focuses aggressively on maximizing physical appearance and it can go as far as surgery or other practices but it's something I suppose that's been talked about recently as well.

It's just 'maximizing physical appearance' so no parallels at all with gender identity.

Nothing to see here, move on.

You can’t just make up lies about someone’s character, and the fact that you have actually says a lot about your character.

The trans lunacy makes me angry too but you really shouldn't say things like that about people without evidence. I haven't seen any other comments here suggesting he's done such a thing.

@TiredOfYourLiesGo away with your faux moralising.

Nah he was there to mansplain misogyny whilst larping as a woman

HTH

It definitely is.

Very pleased that I cancelled my TV licence - I don’t watch live TV anyway, but used to be happy to fund the BBC for Radio 4 alone (yes, I know you don’t need a licence to listen to the radio). Woman’s Hour and biased reporting in news programmes prompted me to cancel.

Many women are thoroughly fed up with men being called women. Men who think they are women have zero experience of what it means to be female, and aren't female. There are plenty of women who could speak on the topic but are ignored in favour of a man. So yes I am bloody mad about it.
Edited to say it's called Women's Hour for a reason. It's not 'Men who think they are women Hour'.

This is from Sky news Australia

'Just ludicrous': BBC flooded with complaints after Australian transgender academic appears on Woman's Hour to discuss own misogyny experience

The BBC has been hit with a wave of complaints after transgender woman Raewyn Connell appeared on Woman's Hour to weigh in on misogyny, dividing listeners online.
www.skynews.com.au/lifestyle/trending/just-ludicrous-bbc-flooded-with-complaints-after-australian-transgender-academic-appears-on-womans-hour-to-discuss-misogyny/news-story/770be5cee3cb0716094a611a37550b5d

Was she there to speak as an academic in her field?

No this was not about the ‘existence’ of this man who was trans.

It was about WH choosing to put him on the programme to speak for women. It is certainly something people should complain about rather than not bother.

😂

I don’t listen to WH but get the gist from reading about it here. I sometimes wonder if it’s trolling its listeners.

Yep.

Lies' question about "concern re. their academic credentials" is actually very apt here.

If you're speaking as an "expert" in something or representative of a particular demographic, the expectation is that you have some proof you are qualified to do so.

The academic proof is your PhD or whatever. Universally accepted and fairly foolproof.

But what's the proof that the speaker's a woman?

Their say-so. An internal state. That's it. That's all there is.

So, yes - women (protesting the theft of their word and identity as a distinct, recognisable group - the 51% of the population sharing a female body) have a right to question those "credentials".

@KindLemonSquid said she wouldn't have had a problem if it had been a man talking about their own concerns as a man

The man they did have on talked about his concerns as a man presenting as a woman

Do you understand the (obvious) difference?