Transwomen - pseudumenopausal symptoms due to hrt - asked to approve work policy

Pretending that men can be women limits women’s access to accommodations in the workplace.

Pretending that men can experience bodily processes that occur exclusively in the female sex limits women’s access to accommodations for those processes.

What is needed here: an ‘equitable medically-based’ answer, or an answer that reflects UK law?

Trans medical care involves treatments and diagnoses across sex boundaries. If the OP's goal here is to start building walls limiting women's access to accommodations in the workplace, then they have found the right place to form the foundations.

It’s posts like this that make me grateful I don’t work in an office environment 🤦‍♀️ sorry you’re having to deal with this nonsense OP.

“If you are looking for an equitable medically-based answer, you will not find it here.”

When is it medically based to treat a male person’s personal and elective decision to take hormones in levels not meant for the male body and be treated as if that person was in fact going through a uniquely female body process? That is neither ‘equitable’ nor should it be considered ‘medically based as a female body process’.

Sex realists have the most wonderful imaginations. I'm surprised more aren't hugely successful in the creative fields...

Back to the OP: If you are seeking a political solution to your workplace question, these women have provided numerous angles to remove trans women from the policy/process. If you are looking for an equitable medically-based answer, you will not find it here.

But could you imagine (rightly) the uproar if someone decided that because a woman is Asian, they shouldn't get as much accommodation because they are 'on average' going to have a less severe menopause? This could be neatly covered by 'Every woman will have an individual experience of menopause and may require workplace adjustments during this time.'

@GrimDamnFanjo could you approach it by saying 'I'm sure that there are negative symptoms associated with the use of cross-sex hormones, but including these in a policy about the menopause is likely to be confusing and may lead to both groups receiving inadequate consideration. I suggest that if you want to write a policy for transgender staff who are using cross-sex hormones, that is kept separate from the policy about biological women reaching the end of their fertile years.'

women [...] have never had to suffer the discrimination, self-hatred or fear that a transsexual must endure and survive in their lives. Genetic women are not ridiculed as severely, killed, tortured and arrested simply

Oh, so the three women a week killed because they are women don't count.

These men are misogynistic porn-addled bastards.

Thanks for clarifying.

In that case, yes, this needs to be made clear. And if stats apply only to the USA (eg around black women receiving poorer medical care than white women), do they belong in this report?

If a trans identified man taking cross sex hormones is experiencing symptoms of menopause then surely they would be de-transitioning? HRT in women is to relieve perimenopause symptoms (I take estrogen, progesterone and testosterone). A male taking cross sex hormones is taking them to introduce some female characteristics. I can only imagine the only time that might mimic menopause is if they stop taking them? Which makes it part of the transition/detransition policy and support surely?

There's some evidence that black women experience, on average, more severe menopause symptoms than white women. And also (especially in the US, where a lot of the research comes from) that they are less likely to engage with medical care or more likely to experience poor medical care. There's also some evidence that Asian women tend to have fewer symptoms, although there's uncertaintly about how much is genes and how much is diet and lifestyle - and therefore whether it translates to women with Asian heritage but living elsewhere.

So it may be worth mentioning. But only if there's an explanation of why it's being mentioned and how the policy may need to be adapted. And it also needs to be clear that these are averages.

This sounds alarmingly like Valerie Solanas in reverse.

https://x.com/hennieinglis/status/2031067162975117536?s=46

The text reads

Dear Sister,

In regards to the Sandy Stone controversy: genetic women- Gennys-have never had to suffer the discrimination, self-hatred or fear that a transsexual must endure and survive in their lives. Genetic women are not ridiculed as severely, killed, tortured and arrested simply because they are transsexual, as are transsexuals. Genetic women have many rights, in comparison to transsexuals, who have none.

Genetic women cannot possess the very special courage, brilliance, sensitivity and compassion-and overview-that derives from the transsexual experience. Free from the chains of menstruation and child- bearing. transsexual women are obviously far superior to Gennys in many ways.

As some of you have discovered. because of the severity of the genocidal attitudes we must deal with all of our lives, many transsexuals have learned how to fight without giving any quarter or showing any mercy.

Genetic women are becoming quite obsolete, which is obvious, and the
future belongs to transsexual women. We know this, and perhaps some of you suspect it. All you have left is your “ability" to bear children, and in a world which will groan to feed 6 billion by the year 2000, that's a negative asset.

Transsexual and veryproud,
Angela Douglas
Berkeley
Reprinted from Sister August-September, 1977

Reading this again puts me in mind of this recent interaction with Alexandra Billings on social media.

Self published video from Alexandra Billings here .

https://x.com/gaynotqueer1/status/2032811484271817092?s=46

Then the chilling and menacing response to women saying 'no' here.

https://x.com/knownheretic/status/2032639781658833142?s=46

And yet, some male people wonder why female people don't show how distressed they are when a male person enters a female single sex provision, or inserts themselves in a menopause/puberty/menstruation/breastfeeding discussion or one about female people's needs. And some male people wonder why female people discuss the fawning reaction.

"As some of you have discovered. because of the severity of the genocidal attitudes we must deal with all of our lives, many transsexuals have learned how to fight without giving any quarter or showing any mercy."

The hatred has been made clear to us for decades and yet, we are supposed to remain support humans for some male people.

Yes. This is a clever response. The assumption that this is what's happening is, as as far as I can see, unsupported and unsubstatiated. Acting on such an assumption could be interpreted as discriminatory toward trans employees.

Your duty is to protect yourself and the organisation as this could have repercussions for both. In view of the recent SC judgement the organisation might be well advised to seek specialist legal advice.

Cover yourself first and foremost and ensure it's done in writing.

If you were Onepostwonder's GP who had concerns about his health and taking drugs that could harm how would you approach it.

Remember GP insists that it's transphobic to insist he is male - he insists he is biologically female. If the GP decides to talk about sex, they run the risk of being reported for being transphobic... So to appease men like onepostwonder who are behaving in this manner, how can the GP protect themselves and their patient in this climate. This is why I have previously used the example of a doctor treating a trans patient in reference to the SC ruling before because if sex doesn't mean sex they are put in this awful position of being at risk of being culpable if they harm a patient who is prepared to lie so much it leads to self harm and they are also personally at risk if they don't go along with gender from a career point of view (which puts a whole load of other patients at risk because this doctor is actually a good doctor doing what they should be in terms of recognising the health risks).

The GP is effectively going to sell coming off cross sex hormones to a cohort of men who don't take no for an answer and are not willing to engage with sex in the only way possible by saying "oh well if you come off the drugs you are being like a woman" even though women of that age are going onto the drugs!

It's a lie to deal with men in total denial. And it's yet another lie that actively harms women in the process.

None of this is ok.

It's ridiculous, isn't it.

Job Description: Adult Human Female

Woman's CV: populating the planet since time began.

Mr Transwoman: wearing fishnets

Such a minor talent, it's no wonder all these Governments aren't concerned about declining birth rates...oh wait!?

highlighting this post 👆

All you have left is your “ability" to bear children

😆

Well that makes a lot more sense.

I don't think anyone is surprised that Onepostwonder decided to pretend it was because he was 'entering the age of menopause' 😁

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths these men will go to to pretend that they're women, when they don't like women at all.

Playing the victim since 1977.

As well as being totally ignorant of the indignities and violence women suffer on a daily basis.

A reminder of how long these discussions have been happening.

This letter from Angela Douglas back in 1977 is something to remember, apparently some ‘women’ are more superior to us ‘gennys’ because they are free from menstruation and we are becoming obsolete. Remember this was before a growing number of male people claimed to have female body processes such as female puberty, periods and menopause.

(reminder that a genny is a term for a female donkey too).

(The tweet below linking it also has an article from Germaine Greer which is also a very good reminder.)

https://x.com/hennieinglis/status/2031067162975117536?s=46

The text reads

Dear Sister,

In regards to the Sandy Stone controversy: genetic women- Gennys-have never had to suffer the discrimination, self-hatred or fear that a transsexual must endure and survive in their lives. Genetic women are not ridiculed as severely, killed, tortured and arrested simply because they are
transsexual, as are transsexuals. Genetic women have many rights, in comparison to transsexuals, who have
none.

Genetic women cannot possess the very special courage, brilliance, sensitivity and compassion-and overview-that derives from the transsexual experience. Free from the chains of menstruation and child- bearing. transsexual women are obviously far superior to Gennys in many ways.

As some of you have discovered. because of the severity of the genocidal attitudes we must deal with all of our lives, many transsexuals have learned how to fight without giving any quarter or showing any mercy.

Genetic women are becoming quite obsolete, which is obvious, and the
future belongs to transsexual women. We know this, and perhaps some of you suspect it. All you have left is your “ability" to bear children, and in a world which will groan to feed 6 billion by the year 2000, that's a negative asset.

Transsexual and veryproud,
Angela Douglas
Berkeley
Reprinted from Sister August-September, 1977

Here is a tweet that links to a clip from an early UK TV show with men discussing how they are women .

https://x.com/Jonnywsbell/status/2030798915423887413?s=20

"1973: Transsexuals smugly declare: "we chose to be women, transsexualism is the tip of the iceberg, sex is fluid, and birth certs must change"..
2026: They played the long game and won, biology is erased, dissent is crushed and women's rights are gutted...mission accomplished..."

I like this idea, possibly with reference to the need to cover hormone treatment not relating to conditions of the female reproductive system elsewhere?

There is, to be fair, a serious HR issue in cross sex hormones and gender. The females taking testosterone will have pseudo menopausal symptoms. I youngsters in their 20s with joint pain, fatigue, incontinence and brain fog who should fall under any menopause policy but don’t becaise
tge men are so fucking noisy and attention. Seeking all the time.

so you could be inclusive and accurate, and potentially do some good by encouraging these young women to give up the muck and get some counselling