Transwomen - pseudumenopausal symptoms due to hrt - asked to approve work policy

Menopause does not include any male person

“I know other women who have been on HRT as long as I have and share the experience of aging on HRT”.

I take it you are referring to more male people?

Because otherwise, those female people are excluded from a menopause policy how? Exactly how? In detail please. Not just vague references

You don’t seem to be able to support your accusations with any factual evidence.

“Some groups of women have already been erased without a thought in the previous discussion and one group has not been addressed at all”

Which female people have been ‘erased’ by a female only menopause policy? Which group of female people have not been addressed at all?

If you cannot clarify your comments, it really is just sparple. And it is coming across as gaslighting.

The topic of this thread is literally "Transwomen - pseudumenopausal symptoms due to hrt - asked to approve work policy"

I am told this includes me.

Seconded.
I hope it's been valuable. Some interesting points have been discussed. Let us know how you get on.

"the hatred and misinformation prevalent in sex realist scripture"

Thanks for your constructive and rational contribution then.

Have you ever considered some things are just not about you @onepostwonder and do not have to include you?

Women's health is one of those things. Biological women. Not male people.

Imposing oneself where neither relevant nor wanted is classic behaviour exhibited by many male people. You illustrate it every time you post.

Trans medical care involves treatments and diagnoses across sex boundaries

It still doesn't mean that trans-identified males experience the menopause.

"Menopause" literally means the pausing and eventual cessation of menstruation.

Menopause describes the stage of a woman's life when her menstrual periods stop permanently, and she can no longer get pregnant.

Since men don't have periods and cannot get pregnant, they likewise do not experience the menopause.

A workplace policy for the menopause cannot therefore include transwomen, who are men.

I know other women who have been on HRT as long as I have and share the experience of aging on HRT, the various sub-optimal HRT treatments we've been prescribed at times and a renewed interest in maintaining good levels as we age towards our 60s.

Some groups of women have already been erased without a thought in the previous discussion and one group has not been addressed at all. Leave it up to a self-interested hobby-focused forum to remove all diversity from a topic.

I am not here to personally argue against the hatred and misinformation prevalent in sex realist scripture. I'm just pointing out that the OP would be better served looking elsewhere for guidance if they are genuinely interested in participating constructively in the task assigned.

Sex realists have the most wonderful imaginations.

I'm confused @onepostwonder - are you a sex realist now? Because your fertile imagination causes you to act out being a woman ...

A reminder of the chilling and menacing response to women saying 'no' here.

https://x.com/knownheretic/status/2032639781658833142?s=46

Worth watching all the way through.

A biological male cannot go through menopause so whatever they are experiencing it has no place in a menopause policy. Having said that the world has gone mad and I'm no legal expert

Mate, if you cannot answer questions to clarify your own accusations I suspect that this is yet another emotionally manipulative accusation.

You need to write this in your submission on this policy @GrimDamnFanjo
Says it all, succinctly.

So, you have nothing?

Just empty accusations to emotionally manipulate female people to be kind and nice and allow some male people's subjective reality to be treated as if it is an accurate representation of facts.

I think you will find that quite a few of us, including me, advocated that male people who have the need for a policy that specifically covers them should have that discussion. So, at this point your emotional manipulation tactics of making vague false representations must be making you feel better, but shows that you seem to have not read that actual thread.

I think he means it limits women's access because it doesn't expand it to include men.

sea lion photo here

I look forward to us being informed about exactly what will happen to us that will 'limit women's access to menopause support' if we don't include male people who demand to be included in menopause support when they in no way experience menopause.

Sex realists lack the ability to acknowledge any facts relating to trans medical treatment, or trans lives in general. I would not rely on their beliefs of trans experience within any venue, especially one involving bodily function.

The law is based on equality. The problem is the dickheads who insist that biology isn't an issue and that women don't have sex based issues and that men can be women and vice versa.

The SC agreed there could only be equality and equity if you recognise sex - because the only way you can have legal protection for women, men, homosexuals and transpeople is by recognising sex - otherwise the very definition is meaningless.

Trans people have no rights if they erase sex because no one can see they are trans and have legal protections that stem from that.

As Billings says very clearly 'who is going to stop them?'

The menacing and threatening that comes with female people saying 'no' is consistent. If you don't agree with us, then bad things will happen to you and you will deserve it.

If 'trans medical care' involves falsehoods such as treating a male person’s personal and elective decision to take hormones in levels not meant for the male body and be treated as if that person was in fact going through a uniquely female body process, then people receiving that medical care should be campaigning for better standards of care.

Your attempts to characterise female people expecting and asking for policy decisions based on accurate information as being somehow being the problem is very telling. If you cannot be honest with yourself, I guess no one should expect accuracy from you.

"If the OP's goal here is to start building walls limiting women's access to accommodations in the workplace".

In what way explicitly does accurately describing female body processes 'limit female people's access to accommodations in the workplace'?

Please list the exact ways this limits us.

Otherwise, this is just more sparple from you.