Transwomen - pseudumenopausal symptoms due to hrt - asked to approve work policy

I cannot work out what female people would not be included in the type of policy that the OP has been discussing.

I have asked, there has been nothing but distractive tactics with no clarification though.

The one sort of begs the other.

Some groups of women have already been erased without a thought in the previous discussion and one group has not been addressed at all. Leave it up to a self-interested hobby-focused forum to remove all diversity from a topic.

Where? We've been talking about women.

Not you or your other trans-identified male friends.

I'm also insufficiently imaginative to see any bullying.

If One sees any bullying, he should report it to MNHQ.

No one is trying to bully you.

What I and others are trying to do is to get you to actually engage rather than making emotionally manipulative statements about how hateful we are because we have been blunt in saying that no male people go through menopause and that any male person who has electively chosen to take hormones in quantities that are not naturally found in a male body should not be covered by a menopause policy,.

You have now resorting to making a false accusation about me bullying you off the thread? Yet, I have asked you numerous times now to clarify your remarks and accusations.

That is DARVO.

OP, that NHS policy that he posted (with a triumphant "ta-daaah") is a prime example of how a policy should not be written, so it could indeed prove useful to you in your case

Your attempt to bully me out of the thread hasn't worked though

Bullying is against the TGs.
You need to report any posts where you're being bullied to MNHQ and they'll delete them @onepostwonder

Nope, I don’t get it. Wanting people of both sexes to have medical care and workplace accommodations that are appropriate to their actual needs - is hatred. Clearly I’m not imaginative enough.

Unsurprised, maybe.

Bullied, not at all.

Another woolly non answer

Males telling females they are hating and pushing misinformation when the male is saying they go through menopause - the cissation of having periods - is really stretching it.

No since males can't have periods, they also can't cease having periods. If males only have levels of female hormones because they have fake ones they take, that's not the same as the natural decline of females reduction in female hormones.

I think we can see who is pushing the hatred and misinformation.

OP trans women AND trans men should not be included in menopause guidance. They should have their own work place trans inclusion guidance and have done with it so they get the appropriate support for taking cross sex hormones whilst working. They have unique needs that need identifying and dealing with.

Lumping both groups together ends up with exclusion for some females and a whole bunch of misinformation for both women and trans people. For the sake of properly informing it needs to be kept separate.

I'd like to know when he started menstruating.

Here I am, unsurprised.

You're familiar with the NHS, yes?

Recent tribunals have shown they're not exactly the sharpest when it comes to biology. Worryingly.

Says the man who came here for the sole purpose of bullying women.

Biological reality is not the same thing as "beliefs".

"bully"

She asked you questions you can't or won't answer. We can all see it.

Oh dear, no, you're misunderstanding the directive.

When did you stop menstruating?

Your attempt to bully me out of the thread hasn't worked though.

That is your belief. This NHS policy directive would disagree with you.

https://www.secamb.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Menopause-Policy-1.pdf

So, you cannot clarify at all, you can provide no evidence to support your claims but we are the problem?

Got it.

Thanks for the live demonstration of why male people who do not experience menopause should not be included in the discussion about policies for menopause.

“hatred and misinformation”

This is just another empty accusation aimed at shaming female people for pointing out that menopause policies do not and should not include any male people.

That you cannot then accept that there may need to be a specific policy for the needs of all male people on elective hormone supplement is not the responsibility of female people to have to counter by making a policy for menopause inclusive of the male people it doesn’t cover.

Your assumption is wrong and limited by your beliefs.

@onepostwonder You do not have pseudomenopausal symptoms. You don't have female biology. The end.