Transwomen - pseudumenopausal symptoms due to hrt - asked to approve work policy

No, you're not missing anything.
Any pre-menstrual-like symptoms these men claim to experience are side effects of the high doses of cross-sex hormones they take. This is NOT HRT as they are not replacing hormones they once produced, they are adding wrong-sex hormones.
Transwomen don't menstruate, so they cannot by definition go through menopause.
@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g is right, this is the work of a biological numpty with an agenda.
I would try to sound out some colleagues and push back on the science, while being 'kind' and adding something about the need to be aware of the feelings of men, oops, transwomen, and enbies.

I would advise the OP to start the document with a clear, factual sentence such as:

Menopause affects the female half of the population, including women who identify as men or non-binary.

This is biologically correct and trans-inclusive.

I would then continue with the medical definition, keeping it as simple as possible:

Menopause is defined as 12 months without a menstrual period. Perimenopause is the process leading to this state. It usually occurs in women in their late 40s/early 50s, but can also arise earlier after surgery or chemotherapy.

I would ensure the document reiterates that transmen on the drugs/surgery route will experience menopause; being mindful of general scientific illiteracy, and the deliberate magical thinking propogated around cross-sex hormones. Something like:

Transmen (women who identify as men) who take testosterone and/or undergo surgical removal of ovaries & uterus will undergo menopause, often with increased medical risks.

I think it's very important that people realise that the quiet, frail, androgynous young woman with the wispy beard may be going through the same phsyical hell more commonly associated with middle-aged women.

There is no need to mention males, inc transwomen, at any point. In the same way that my lab's risk assessment for laser use doesn't mention Tier 2 visa rules.

"Other men will invent ridiculous definitions of being female, involving data points and constellations."

And they will be absolutely convinced that not one person on earth will correctly identify their sex category. Some will even post photos of JK Rowling, inviting people to believe that it is an early photo of them in ultimately an attempt to mock JK Rowling and cover up the fact that even in a photo, people can correctly identify that male person's sex category.

And that same person has also been in video interviews and does not have a female voice... but apparently, no one has ever said anything so no one must be correctly identifying his sex category and just avoiding mentioning it or removing themselves from the situation.

Once you see the utter desperation that some men cling to, to justify their claim to be women, you cannot unsee that either.

I can absolutely imagine that accurate information on the potential withdrawal symptoms after long term use of cross sex hormones would be very useful to people like OnePostWonder.

There is no way that a menopause policy can or should cover that, as it doesn't involve the menopause.

'Other men will invent ridiculous definitions of being female, involving data points and constellations.'

Yes, then they run to Reddit for headpats for being brave and standing up to those awful women (or, amusingly, 'tilting at windmills' as Butters once phrased it).

Despite all the headpats - they are still wrong.

Some men will just use absolutely anything to justify wanting to pretend they're women.

OnePost, for instance, is perfectly happy to decry realism itself, in order to do it. To blindly lie and criticise others for not lying with him.

Other men will invent ridiculous definitions of being female, involving data points and constellations.

The less wordy amongst them will just pour piss on themselves in, er, protest that they're not allowed in women's spaces.

And, of course, there are those men whose boner has such a bloody life of its own they convince companies that not only is the menopause not sex specific, but they're actually going through it themselves. And everyone must say so.

Fortunately, the sheer number of men who are emboldened by this has led to quite a few people realising that's it's a fetish. And so their tactics become less and less successful.

As I've said before, it's pretty much a one-way journey.

What isn't, is the realisation, that smacks you between the eyes with its vehemence, that some men truly are this porn addled, and other, otherwise quite normal people, are happy to accommodate it.

At the moment there is a social contract, supported by British law, that men stay out of spaces where women are vulnerable. An ancient social contract born from the knowledge that men will prey upon women. Yes, NAMALT, but keeping all out keeps the bad ones out. ‘Good men stay out so that bad men stand out’.

Equality legislation recognises that discrimination has a part in protecting safety and equity.

If you allow some men in to validate their sense of self as a ‘woman’, how can you then keep other men out? How do you differentiate between the quiet, non-aggressive ‘pee in peace’ men, and the fetishist men who get off on hearing women pee, on rummaging for used tampons, on planting hidden cameras, on terrorising women? How do you differentiate between them and opportunist rapists?

All these things have happened, have been documented either by the men themselves, or by the convictions they have received when their transgressions are dealt with by the justice system.

Women’s physical vulnerability is why it comes back to toilets and changing rooms.

So many great women writers express this very thing solero. This is very clearly what many of us have been trying to say on this board.

"But in some very real senses, female biology shapes female history—a history that men don’t have because of their sex—including the history of menstruation, the history of pregnancy or the capacity to become pregnant, the history of childbirth and abortion, the history of certain bodily cycles and life changes, and the history of female subordination in a male-dominant society. Note that I keep saying history. To deny that female history is, in part, based on female biology is like denying that important aspects of Black history are based on skin color. As with biological skin color, female biology doesn’t confer an essential femininity; rather it confers a historical reality about what it means to be born with XX chromosomes."

However, apparently this ^^ is just women being limited in our imagination / hateful / bigoted / misinformed.

Yet, unless someone tries to twist this into only being a 'concept' through philosophical belief and theory, this remains consistent throughout history and it will abide as well. It is only ever through some philosophical lens that this gets changed to include male people. Yet at the same time, there are those who will then deny that it is a personal belief that is based on such philosophising and attempt to convince people that it just 'is'. That some male people really are female people because [insert reason here].

I'm currently reading The Transsexual Empire by Janice Raymond and so much of what she writes, perfectly sums up the postulations of the various trans-identified men, or as Raymond refers to them, "male to constructed females", that love to talk down to women, that it's actually scary at times (the raionale behind an explanation I read here from a male poster who says he's a woman because he has never penetrated anyone, is actually brought up).

Anyway, reading this quote in particular, made me think of this topic and the trans identified males, who try to parasitically attach themselves to bodily processes like menopause, which by their very nature, can only ever affect female people, no male person in the history of the universe has ever had a uterus, much less the ability to produce, or cease to produce eggs:

But in some very real senses, female biology shapes female history—a history that men don’t have because of their sex—including the history of menstruation, the history of pregnancy or the capacity to become pregnant, the history of childbirth and abortion, the history of certain bodily cycles and life changes, and the history of female subordination in a male-dominant society. Note that I keep saying history. To deny that female history is, in part, based on female biology is like denying that important aspects of Black history are based on skin color. As with biological skin color, female biology doesn’t confer an essential femininity; rather it confers a historical reality about what it means to be born with XX chromosomes.

Which begs many questions.

Just to add

"The male posters who continue to claim that the ‘majority of the population believe that transwomen are women’ (and there are quite a few) have not one skerrick of evidence to support this. And yet, they continue to say it like a mantra to comfort themselves."

The issue is, of course, if you (a general 'you') believe that an identity based on your subjective reality should be treated as materially real, perhaps you are also very much inclined towards being a person who will only look superficially at other's beliefs and declare that those beliefs are deep held and abiding. When they potentially are not deeply held at all and are repeated for any number of reasons.

Meaning if someone tells you they believe something, you will not drill further at all and you will just take that as being a complete concept for any context. It may also be an indication that you are inclined to believe philosophical theories even when there is no physically proven basis to that theory, and when the theory becomes incoherent when analysed, you might be a person that dismisses that with a faith statement such as 'no one knows what might be discovered in the future' or something similar.

The belief that a male person experiences 'menopause' is a subjective reality based on partial context to force it to fit. The accurate statement would be something along the lines of 'male people experiencing side effects from exogenous hormones taken in quantities that are not naturally produced in male people and the potential withdrawal symptoms after long term use'.

It is not menopause. It never was menopause.

I can answer that one for you. He would not.

First Rule of Trans Club – biological women must never, under any circumstances, have something just for them.

To my perpetual annoyance, DH doesn't really understand that we women might be triggered by the presence of a male in our single-sex facilities. But he's very clear on why a male would choose to be in our single-sex facilities in the first place: it's for the sexual thrill. Men may not always understand women, but they understand other men.

I think most women don't, which can lead to naive views on unisex facilities. I work in a majority male environment. I find most of the men have very frank views on the suitability of male people being in female facilities. They are under no illusions concerning the potential issues.

https://www.evakurilova.com/p/trans-is-nothing-new-and-neither?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Eva has pulled together some historical letters and commentary that show just how long male people have demanded entry into female people’s groups and policies.

Male people demanding to be included in menopause policies is based on a very long history.

What is interesting though is that radical feminists have been calling this out since the 1970’s.

And men who claim to have menopause or that a collective of symptoms similar to some menopause symptoms makes what they experience ‘menopause’ in any way are trying to force others to act as if that subjective reality is material.

It really is another misogynistic act though.

There is both an Occam’s razor aspect and a Chesterton’s Fence aspect to the issue around single sex provision that means that the polls showing that people want single sex provisions is rather predictable.

If professional open population polls from different agencies and commissioned by different organisations all show similar results, it is likely that outcome is an accurate representation of the opinions of the general population. And when it comes to single sex provisions, no one has to look far to understand why people want single sex provisions. Somehow though, through messaging from media, peers and organisations people have been told to not believe the fence was there to keep lions out but was to oppress the animals kept within the fence, so to speak.

It really isn’t hard to understand that people have been taught to say words that they only believe on a superficial level. That some, certainly not the majority, people will say they believe ‘transwomen are women’ may be a reflex reaction to some, some may be true believers at certain levels of discussion.

Strip back that superficiality and of course we are going to see the opposite. That this thing that they say they believe doesn’t follow through when it is applied to real life situations. This blows their assertion of belief away.

The reason that polling consistently shows that the majority of the population holds the opinion that male people should not be included in female sport, even if their performance has been artificially limited with drugs, is really simple. It is because the majority of people don’t believe that transwomen are women despite repeating an empty mantra or saying that of course those male people are women, or even using female language for a male person.

The male posters who continue to claim that the ‘majority of the population believe that transwomen are women’ (and there are quite a few) have not one skerrick of evidence to support this. And yet, they continue to say it like a mantra to comfort themselves.

MEN who believe they get periods

100%.

Men can live whatever fantasy they want to live.

Nobody should be forced to participate.

The feeling of power that comes with transgressing boundaries is a major attraction. If a male person can also take the opportunity to dehumanise, menace, exploit (even unintentionally), coerce or shame female people at the same time, even better I expect.

It is why it is so important to keep remembering the explicit menace of those videos that Billings’ self published, the video content recently from Daviana and to keep pointing to DARVO tactics.

Queer theory is about breaking down categories, boundaries and perceived barriers. Great when it is about allowing same sex attracted people to have the same opportunities that opposite sex attracted people have. But the full extent of those break downs are negative outcomes for protection of female people and children.

Do you know what, I honestly probably don't. I've been very lucky to be surrounded by men who have strong boundaries on their sexual conduct. I've never been in a compromising situation. I know that's relatively unusual.

This is where it all falls apart for trans inclusivity though. No one particularly cares what anyone else on the high street wears, or if they ask for a cappuccino in Costa in a falsetto tone. People are very accepting of diversity. No one really cares who you date or how many piercings you have, or what colour your hair is.
But force your way into a space where the safety, privacy and dignity of others are important and it comes crashing down, because actually no, you aren’t a woman, and men are quite reasonably suspected of nefarious intentions when they cross women’s boundaries.

AGPs gonna AGP.

'probably'...

You just do not understand the male sexual drive do you? Especially one driven by AGP.