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'Like a trap you can't escape': The women who regret being mothers

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IwantToRetire · 14/03/2026 22:08

I'm not going to post any extracts from the article as better to read the whole content.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgkvge4rkmo

A mother with her two children by the sea

'A trap you can't escape': The women who regret being mothers

From mourning the life they no longer have to feeling never-ending pressure, women tell the BBC why they regret becoming mothers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgkvge4rkmo

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Kingdomofsleep · 15/03/2026 20:36

Carla786 · 15/03/2026 20:29

Exactly. And having children, especially if you're having 1-2 (which is common now), shouldn't mean the possibility of travel, evenings out etc is fully closed off for years & years.

So true. It's actually not that long before you can start to do what you like a bit.

Actually it's having to work that curtails my freedom way more than my DC these days! But that's a topic for another thread!

Carla786 · 15/03/2026 20:29

Kingdomofsleep · 15/03/2026 20:23

The "loss of freedom" argument only holds true, logically, if all the new activities you can now do as a mother are unwanted and all the things you can no longer do are still wanted.

For example. I really enjoy cupping my dc's chubby cheeks and saying BLUB BLUB in their faces. If I was no longer a mother (for some hypothetical non tragic reason) I'd lose the "freedom" to choose to do that, and many other things, like blowing dandelion clocks, or giving piggy backs, or singing the ABC song as slowly as possible. And when I do travel I can introduce my DCs to new food they've never tried before, and it's like trying it for the first time again myself. I can point out a cicada and we're all delighted to learn it's DH's first time spotting one too. And that's without all the more serious stuff like I touched on earlier, proper metamorphosis type feelings and experiences.

It's true that it's quite a bit harder to go solo travelling, or get wasted on a bender, or play an 8h Skyrim marathon. But I've only "lost freedom" if I would actually prefer to do those things, and at this point in time, I'm not sure I do.

You could argue, logically, that a child free woman doesn't have "the freedom" to do many of the things in that first list. I do miss the things in the second list a bit but I was just as constrained before in the opposite direction, not being able to do the first list. It took me almost two years to conceive dc1 and I felt that "lack of freedom to do what I wanted" more than I do now.

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Exactly. And having children, especially if you're having 1-2 (which is common now), shouldn't mean the possibility of travel, evenings out etc is fully closed off for years & years.

Kingdomofsleep · 15/03/2026 20:23

The "loss of freedom" argument only holds true, logically, if all the new activities you can now do as a mother are unwanted and all the things you can no longer do are still wanted.

For example. I really enjoy cupping my dc's chubby cheeks and saying BLUB BLUB in their faces. If I was no longer a mother (for some hypothetical non tragic reason) I'd lose the "freedom" to choose to do that, and many other things, like blowing dandelion clocks, or giving piggy backs, or singing the ABC song as slowly as possible. And when I do travel I can introduce my DCs to new food they've never tried before, and it's like trying it for the first time again myself. I can point out a cicada and we're all delighted to learn it's DH's first time spotting one too. And that's without all the more serious stuff like I touched on earlier, proper metamorphosis type feelings and experiences.

It's true that it's quite a bit harder to go solo travelling, or get wasted on a bender, or play an 8h Skyrim marathon. But I've only "lost freedom" if I would actually prefer to do those things, and at this point in time, I'm not sure I do.

You could argue, logically, that a child free woman doesn't have "the freedom" to do many of the things in that first list. I do miss the things in the second list a bit but I was just as constrained before in the opposite direction, not being able to do the first list. It took me almost two years to conceive dc1 and I felt that "lack of freedom to do what I wanted" more than I do now.

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2026 20:18

One can call motherhood 'a trap one can't escape', but so are many things including life itself, if you want to frame it that way. The stories we tell ourselves affect how we feel.

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2026 20:14

SunnyCloverBrick · 15/03/2026 20:06

"...freedom and personal liberty is in a way, everything."

Everyone on earth experiences seasons of life or periods of time where personal freedom and liberty are restricted. You were a baby and a child once, you'll be perhaps be very old one day. Accident, injury, illness, war, crisis and so on. The idea that autonomy is "everything" (not sure what you mean by this exactly) is mythic. Motherhood is just a more confronting version of the absolute fact of human co-dependence.

The largest difference I've personally felt becoming a Mum is that I no longer experience doubt or questions about "the point of it all." It's clear now that I have a responsibility that is more important than the, basically, vanity projects I was concerned with before. It's hard work, but the joy and the love and the purpose has really taken me by surprise.

Yes, very well put. So many experiences have deepened and been lent more resonance. I've undoubtedly taken part in and undergone many difficult, testing, challenging experiences as a mother. The word that comes to mind is how it has enlarged and deepened my life. To suggest that because some things (mostly temporarily) become logistically more difficult means an absolute loss of freedom is a curious way to look at the experience imo.

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2026 20:09

But if you reframe it as motherhood lessening personal freedom - it does in some ways. It can also offer greater liberation in other ways.

Any fear of death I once had, for example, has been transformed into concern for how my death would affect my children. That could be seen both a loss of personal autonony and a freedom of sorts.

SunnyCloverBrick · 15/03/2026 20:06

Brokenandbewildered · 15/03/2026 19:17

"what happens in motherhood is such a serious restriction to your very autonomy and freedom as a human, that I feel these words whitewash what is a debilitating state to be in.
The loss of autonomy and freedom is huge.'

this seems very dramatic..can you go more into what you mean?"

Ha ha, I agree I sound very dramatic. What I mean is that freedom and personal liberty is in a way, everything. This gets lost in motherhood.

Some people are fine with that and probably wouldn't even recognise it.

"...freedom and personal liberty is in a way, everything."

Everyone on earth experiences seasons of life or periods of time where personal freedom and liberty are restricted. You were a baby and a child once, you'll be perhaps be very old one day. Accident, injury, illness, war, crisis and so on. The idea that autonomy is "everything" (not sure what you mean by this exactly) is mythic. Motherhood is just a more confronting version of the absolute fact of human co-dependence.

The largest difference I've personally felt becoming a Mum is that I no longer experience doubt or questions about "the point of it all." It's clear now that I have a responsibility that is more important than the, basically, vanity projects I was concerned with before. It's hard work, but the joy and the love and the purpose has really taken me by surprise.

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2026 20:06

Brokenandbewildered · 15/03/2026 19:17

"what happens in motherhood is such a serious restriction to your very autonomy and freedom as a human, that I feel these words whitewash what is a debilitating state to be in.
The loss of autonomy and freedom is huge.'

this seems very dramatic..can you go more into what you mean?"

Ha ha, I agree I sound very dramatic. What I mean is that freedom and personal liberty is in a way, everything. This gets lost in motherhood.

Some people are fine with that and probably wouldn't even recognise it.

Nobody has unfettered freedom and liberty, though? There are degrees of it and degrees of loss. Laws, social conventions, gravity, any relationships - all impinge on or affect personal freedom.

LondonMumo23 · 15/03/2026 19:52

I feel what’s missing these days is that something can be really hard but that doesn’t always mean it’s a trauma (though it can be for some). I find being a mum really hard, and some days I completely unravel- but my children give me so much joy and purpose. At first I was so sad about giving up my easy life before but then I started to see how much came from this really tough job of bringing a mum - seeing how your children develop, your own empathy increase, and how resilient you can become. That’s not everyone’s experience I appreciate but just how I feel. I agree with the many posts that touch on the impact from the spiralling cost of living and structural inequality that means men rarely contribute what women do.

Carla786 · 15/03/2026 19:34

Brokenandbewildered · 15/03/2026 19:17

"what happens in motherhood is such a serious restriction to your very autonomy and freedom as a human, that I feel these words whitewash what is a debilitating state to be in.
The loss of autonomy and freedom is huge.'

this seems very dramatic..can you go more into what you mean?"

Ha ha, I agree I sound very dramatic. What I mean is that freedom and personal liberty is in a way, everything. This gets lost in motherhood.

Some people are fine with that and probably wouldn't even recognise it.

Mothers lose all 'freedom and personal liberty'?

I still think that's a bit much. And surely they regain freedom by degrees? A woman with adult children should still have freedom and personal liberty.

cobrakaieaglefang · 15/03/2026 19:18

It's funny, a guy decides that parenthood isn't for him and walks away, maybe tutted at, moral judgement, maybe from some, but ultimately accepted but a mother decides its not for her is absolutely judged, even other women are unable to see the other side of the coin. For a small few number of mothers, the regret eats into their lives. They may try to hide it, because its not understood or 'diagnosed' as PND/ depression. It's the one decision in life that can't be rectified if you make the wrong one.

Brokenandbewildered · 15/03/2026 19:17

"what happens in motherhood is such a serious restriction to your very autonomy and freedom as a human, that I feel these words whitewash what is a debilitating state to be in.
The loss of autonomy and freedom is huge.'

this seems very dramatic..can you go more into what you mean?"

Ha ha, I agree I sound very dramatic. What I mean is that freedom and personal liberty is in a way, everything. This gets lost in motherhood.

Some people are fine with that and probably wouldn't even recognise it.

Shortshriftandlethal · 15/03/2026 19:10

Carla786 · 15/03/2026 18:35

I respect that you decided it wasn't for you, but I think this is a bit much

'body, individuality, freedom, financial freedom, looks, feelings about myself, life in general'- do you think most women with children have none of these things? That seems a bit much.

Absolutely! I've had three children and now two grandchildren, and in spite of sometimes very difficult circumstances I've still always done what I felt wanted to do ( within the boundaries of reality). It is just that my conception of myself and what I have wanted from life changed when I became a mother. That's not to say there have not been moments of pain or even despair but the self concept enlarges and becomes more expansive in some ways...and the joys and successes of your children also become yours. It is no longer just about you, and in certain ways you continue to live for the sake of others and for the joy and pleasure of seeing what they become.

Brokenandbewildered · 15/03/2026 19:08

''Do you think that the taboo over telling children you regret having them is only because society wants to trap mothers into silent martyrdom and keep women away from interesting things?"

I don't think it's the same thing to tell children you regret them as telling them how bringing them up was hard because of a lack of support. Telling them you regret them feels abusive to me.

On the other hand, as women I think we should look at who is benefiting from our silence. And why does being a mother have to be made so hard?

Shortshriftandlethal · 15/03/2026 19:01

LambriniBobInIsleworthISeesYa · 15/03/2026 16:30

I’m glad this is being discussed; for too long it’s been this completely unsayable thing. I don’t feel like it personally but I have a grandmother who does and a sister who does. Both born 60 years apart in very different societies with different opportunities and concepts of womanhood, but both had children against their better judgement (both now admit that they didn’t want them) hoping for the best and with their fingers crossed. It hasn’t worked out well for either of them.

What would "working out" have looked like, as opposed to what they experienced, I wonder?

What are people imagining is the positive outcome of having children?

Carla786 · 15/03/2026 18:40

MaxandMaggie · 15/03/2026 16:33

Ooh really interesting to see Matrescence research like this discussed again. I remember arguing the odds about a similar study to this a couple of years ago on here.

It makes complete sense to me that the biological driver that primes us to reproduce has also primed the female body and brain to respond to their highly dependent offspring, above all else. Evolution would be a bit shit otherwise.

I think studies like this are vital if we are to ease the burden of motherhood. The feelings of inadequacy, the guilt, the inability to prioritise career goals in the early years, the stress of outsourcing childcare, heck even the stress of handing over your child to its father! Not only normal but entirely natural and appropriate, if this study is to be believed.

Re inability to prioritise career goals in early years- how should that affect how we support mothers in the workplace?

Carla786 · 15/03/2026 18:37

mydogisthebest · 15/03/2026 15:55

Not sure you can deny that children so often destroy a marriage/relationship.

I have quite a lot of childfree friends and family who have long happy marries of between 20 years and 64 years. The majority of my friends with children are divorced, some more than once

I wonder how much of that is due to men struggling to come to terms with their new role?

Carla786 · 15/03/2026 18:36

Kingdomofsleep · 15/03/2026 15:10

I agree, I felt this quite suddenly after having my first, how everyone depends on several others.

Also, it hit me how much effort goes into making a human being. My body really struggled through pregnancy and birth, I was in real danger at one point when birthing dc1, and after she was born it felt at the time how even more precious she felt to me from how hard it was to make her happen. And then after that, how much work it was to keep her healthy and well, this helpless grub, who couldn't even roll over in bed, for months and months.

A friend of mine sadly had a relatively late MC and was very unwell from that, and afterwards she told me, one time when she was still recovering from it she saw a homeless man in the street and felt suddenly very emotional thinking how his mother laboured to bring him into the world and how that made him (and everyone else) really precious. I actually value my own life more, even, after my experience birthing dc1.

Very moving post...

Carla786 · 15/03/2026 18:35

Luckyingame · 15/03/2026 14:47

A woman's (mine) body, individuality, freedom, financial freedom, looks, feelings about myself, life in general. Ability to do what I want, when I want. Be whoever I want, if I exaggerate a bit. My fortune allows all this. Children would ruin it.
Again, speaking for myself.
Clarified enough?

I respect that you decided it wasn't for you, but I think this is a bit much

'body, individuality, freedom, financial freedom, looks, feelings about myself, life in general'- do you think most women with children have none of these things? That seems a bit much.

Carla786 · 15/03/2026 18:33

Brokenandbewildered · 15/03/2026 12:32

'I think solidifying a feeling into a fixed condition of 'regret' serves no useful purpose. At times we all look at the particular conditions of our lives and imagine other scenarios and pathways we could have taken.
An imaginal life of open ended or endless possibility only exists in one's creative imagination...at some point we all have to make decisions and commitments, recognising that life is not perfect and never will be. When we choose one thing, we close down other possibilities.'

I understand what you are saying, choices lead to things opening and/ or closing for you, but what happens in motherhood is such a serious restriction to your very autonomy and freedom as a human, that I feel these words whitewash what is a debilitating state to be in.

The loss of autonomy and freedom is huge. Some people won't admit it to themselves as it's very painful. I also think this is why child free people who say they saw it coming are attacked.

'what happens in motherhood is such a serious restriction to your very autonomy and freedom as a human, that I feel these words whitewash what is a debilitating state to be in.

The loss of autonomy and freedom is huge.'

  • this seems very dramatic..can you go more into what you mean?
Carla786 · 15/03/2026 18:31

LilyYeCarveSuns · 15/03/2026 11:34

You're right, I haven't been clear. I think women who I've called pick-me girls feign a kind of regret at becoming mothers - the one thing you must never do is let on how deeply meaningful it can be. It's a tedious game that imo exists because academic culture always always lifts up the male experience and denigrates the female. And I also think this is bad for women who live with real regret at having had children.
Absolutely don't want to suggest that genuine regret would come from wanting to be not like the other women.

Ah I see...thank you, I understand. That makes a lot of sense, it's definitely an attitude born from sexism.

mydogisthebest · 15/03/2026 18:29

Autumn38 · 15/03/2026 17:53

OP I don’t think you’ll get many (if any) mothers coming on this forum saying they genuinely regret their children. There are parts of motherhood that are painfully hard work, but I don’t think it’s common if I’m honest and where it happens I should think there is a specific reason that has little to do with motherhood in general and more to do with that woman’s specific circumstances.

I think it is a lot more common than you think. There are plenty of threads on here where quite a lot of women have said they regret their children. There are also quite a few websites and forums for women who regret having children.

Don't forget a lot of women would be reluctant to admit they regret having children because of the response they may well receive. Your comment about it being more about a woman's specific circumstances would be one such response

Carla786 · 15/03/2026 18:27

Brokenandbewildered · 15/03/2026 11:00

I think I know what the big taboo is about. It's to do with a mother's love for her child and how that is used to trap and silence her into a life of drudgery and caring - a type of silent martyrdom (you must nevert tell anyone, especially your children if you regret becoming a mother) so that men can get on with more interesting things.

Most of us think the nuclear family is the natural way for humans to live, but any evolutionary biologist will tell you that humans engage in alloparenting - shared parenting and that's how our brains are wired. We are certainly not wired for doing it solo or even as a couple. We are also not wired for teenagers living at home because they would have been fending for themselves in our evolutionary history.

The gap between our brains and our culture is where the taboo lies. Our culture (and men telling women what they are) uses motherhood to constrain women in a cruel way. We were never meant to give up ourselves, ignore our instinctual boundaries (e.g getting touched out, no time for self, child centered lives), but we are told it's a natural part of it.

On becoming mothers many women realise they have given up their agency and are understandably unhappy about it and it can feel like a prison sentence. But then we are shamed and told to keep quiet about it (cos you don't really matter any more).

As Susan Jeffers said in her book I'm Okay, You're a Brat, it is in the long term cruel and a bit vindictive NOT to warn your children how difficult being a mother is as you might lay the ground for them being equally trapped and unhappy down the line - not the same as saying you regret them. You frame it as a problem of society and a lack of support, not because of individual children.

Good post. But the idea that teenagers would have been “fending for themselves” isn't fully accurate. In hunter-gatherer societies adolescents usually remained within their family group while gradually taking on adult roles like hunting, gathering, and caring for younger children. Humans actually have an unusually long period of adolescence because learning complex social and survival skills takes time.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 15/03/2026 18:23

SidewaysOtter · 15/03/2026 11:59

A criticism of swearing, a patronising interpretation of something I hadn’t said and a little smirk emoji. That’s me told, isn’t it?

And we can all play “reactions top trumps”:

My point was, the way you delivered your first response was taken the same way I read it, by others too. Not a top trumps that you seem to have taken it as...how strange.

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