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Toxic masculinity shows US Secretary of War is not a serious figure

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IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 01:21

he best way to understand the US position on Iran is machismo. There’s no point looking for a strategic calculation – you won’t find it. Donald Trump and his officials have tried several explanations: regime change, nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles and an upcoming attack on Israel. None of them last more than a couple of days. None of them are real.

Machismo offers the only compelling explanation for what is happening here. The Trump administration, like all hard-right governments throughout history, operates on an old idea of masculinity as power. The things it likes – from executive authority to fossil fuel – are male-coded. It demands that men and women adopt traditional gender roles. It has eroded the rights of transgender people, gay men and lesbians. It worships strength and despises weakness.

No one encapsulates this vision better than “Secretary of War” Pete Hegseth, the pituitary moron who has unfathomably been put in charge of the armed forces. He has no qualities to speak of. He is perhaps the least complex individual ever given high office. And he therefore provides the best example of the administration’s gender anxiety. He represents the male personality when it is extracted from anything meaningful or decent and reduced to its crudest, most insecure form.

I am not posting this because I anything to say about what the US is doing, but I am intrigued by main stream media characterising armed aggression in terms that many feminists use in response to this type of confrontation. That behind all the big words and supposed political values etc., it is just a dick contest.

Although likely I suppose that msm is just using the arguement to say Trump and his henchmen are just not proper politicians.

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/hegseths-fragile-masculinity-doomed-us-4285066

also at https://archive.is/KGDRS

(In case anyone is interested the title is not generated by MN AI as this seems to have now disappeared, but is the title in the printed paper version of the i Paper, but online they have changed toxic to fragile. ???)

Edited to add (and really peed off) the stupid MN AI has put in a title I did NOT ask for.

The title should have been so please use this as the reference point as it shows what the i Paper is actually doing not some misunderstood AI fudge:

Toxic Masculinity Shows US Secretary of War is Not a Serious Figure

FFS mnhq, I dont know whether to ask you to delete the thread or change the title.

This stupid intervention is just a wind up.

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IwantToRetire · 15/03/2026 20:44

Related, but mabye more about having Trump's view of the world put into practice.

I was only half listening but a US advisor on the war was being interviewed. And he in all seriousness was saying what the US was doing was right. And once they have stopped bombing everything then the Iranian people should just get on with it and put in place a new regime.

Starting from the fact that many parts of the infrastructure of the country no longer work, and without access to the internet how is anyone going to know that that point has arrived, what to they think "the people" can do.

He came over as a sort of Dr Strangelove figure.

Or maybe just like Trump has no idea how politics actually works.

Not even, although it would be rejected, saying the UN could send in peace keepers whilst the country holds elections or forms a coaltion government.

As though the new Ayatollah and those who put him in place would just give up the power they have.

But also the arrogance.

Its this complete lack of understanding that 9 times out of 10 it is the reaction to the US (and other parts of the west) that create the situations the west then says isn't too their liking.

Earlier in the week I saw an interview with the Deputy Prime Minister of Iraqi Kurdistan on C4 news. And given his position has no love for Iran.

And the interviewer asked some innane question about whether the current Ayatollah would agree to work with the US or some such.

And this man just looked at the interviewer as though he was just a tiny bit deranged and asked him would you work with the people who had killed your father, you wife and children (and I think a brother).

Even C4 news that obviously thinks its more advanced in its thinking seems to accept the narrative that the west can just go and dabble in other countries problems and they will all be grateful.

Look at the mess the US has left in Libya, Iraq and however many other places.

So although Trump is so overtly I am right even when I am wrong there is no doubt that the western lens that looks at events just does not for a second doubt that despite deaths and terrible destruction it will be better for those who are losing loved one, their homes and their businesses.

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oldtiredcyclist · 15/03/2026 12:45

Pete Hegseth is an absolute psychopath and has committed war crimes in the past. He has now been put in a position to authorise war crimes. Please read the whole Wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Hegseth

Pete Hegseth - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Hegseth

MarieDeGournay · 15/03/2026 11:17

IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 21:54

Lets not forget Good Queen Bess who not only started wars but sanctioned piracy by English ship captains.

Although in truth these females leaders adopted the appropriate male approach to keep their positions.

I think with Hegseth it is because it is so cartoonish, and facile.

And of course the utter US centric view that one US death requires presidents and all news challenges to show sadness, and yet 100+ school girls killed are not acknowledged.

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Indeed - the ethnic cleansing of parts of Ireland, including the catastrophic plantation of Ulster with loyal English and Scottish settlers, the effects of which are still being felt today, flourished in the reign of Elizabeth I.

I think she personally had a more nuanced and less racist view of the Irish than the Hesgeth-like figures who surrounded her, who were hell-bent on subduing the sub-human Irish 'rug-headed kerns' by any genocidal means necessary.
Perhaps a king wouldn't have had any level of empathy at all.

But ultimately the buck for the massacres, scorched earth policy, displacement, famines, etc deployed to crush the Irish stopped with the Queen.

Dragonasaurus · 15/03/2026 10:42

That should read “just for fun”

daysofpearlyspencer · 14/03/2026 17:04

They seem to almost fetishise war

IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 21:54

Lets not forget Good Queen Bess who not only started wars but sanctioned piracy by English ship captains.

Although in truth these females leaders adopted the appropriate male approach to keep their positions.

I think with Hegseth it is because it is so cartoonish, and facile.

And of course the utter US centric view that one US death requires presidents and all news challenges to show sadness, and yet 100+ school girls killed are not acknowledged.

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BuckyBuckyBucky · 13/03/2026 21:46

SerendipityJane · 13/03/2026 16:32

All of those words could just as easily be replaced with a question about the last time a female (of the real sort) started a war.

Off the top of my head only Boudica comes to mind.

(Then I researched)

Zenobia of Palmyra (3rd century)
Olga of Kyiv (10th century)
Catherine the Great (18th century)

Maybe not ‘starting a war’ as such, but there was massive conflict during Queen Victoria’s reign throughout the Empire and also at least one in Europe. Margaret Thatcher was PM during the Falklands Conflict.

It’s interesting they were both female leaders with majority (total?) male advisers and male military at that time, certainly on the front line.

IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 21:32

MarieDeGournay · 13/03/2026 21:27

He was a Major and served in Iraq etc., so he does actually know what he's talking about. Not an armchair general, then.
But he seems to romanticise the 'warrior culture' and some of what he says about 'the fallen heroes' sounds almost saccharine-sentimental.

He hasn't the same attitude to war as Wilfred Owen:

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Hesgeth survived, which Owen failed to do by just one week in 1918.

I think it really jars.

But maybe all the UK made war films with noble foot soldiers and old school officers are false representation, and they too were / are more Hegseth in reality.

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IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 21:29

Weirdnailhelp · 13/03/2026 21:16

Hugo Rifkind’s article on this in the Times is a good read.

Pete Hegseth’s rhetoric gives me that sinking feeling

www.thetimes.com/article/7091b4bf-a972-4078-b4b0-d1db4f2802da?shareToken=ff675d07e6fe0ebc257d82754e6cf1f4

Thanks that's a good read.

" ... One might say Hegseth sounds like he thinks he is in a film, but only if it were a really bad film, perhaps written by a 15-year-old using ChatGPT. A comic, perhaps. A computer game. Probably, one should not use the phrase “small dick energy” on the comment pages, and particularly not when accusing other people of cheapening the discourse. But damn it, I think I must. ... "

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MarieDeGournay · 13/03/2026 21:27

IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 20:25

Well now I am going to have to admit I am uninformed. It never occured to me he had been in the army. I thought he was all play ground make believe.

What kind of officer was he?

He was a Major and served in Iraq etc., so he does actually know what he's talking about. Not an armchair general, then.
But he seems to romanticise the 'warrior culture' and some of what he says about 'the fallen heroes' sounds almost saccharine-sentimental.

He hasn't the same attitude to war as Wilfred Owen:

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

Hesgeth survived, which Owen failed to do by just one week in 1918.

IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 21:24

re Americans being uninformed about other countries.

I suspect it is much the same in the UK.

More and more mainstream news reporting is very UK centric and also very much about personality politics.

And really notice the difference with say France 24 which I "discovered" during the Olympics. There coverage on news from other countries is quite wide ranging. As is Al Jazeera's.

Although more through tv series etc., I think many in the UK think they know about the US.

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Weirdnailhelp · 13/03/2026 21:16

Hugo Rifkind’s article on this in the Times is a good read.

Pete Hegseth’s rhetoric gives me that sinking feeling

www.thetimes.com/article/7091b4bf-a972-4078-b4b0-d1db4f2802da?shareToken=ff675d07e6fe0ebc257d82754e6cf1f4

IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 20:25

Yuasa · 13/03/2026 20:00

I was surprised to find he had actually been in the military. Salivating over the 'American warrior' in his speech after the Venezuelan intervention, he came as the kind of guy who fantasised about being a soldier rather than actually having experience. Reading about the kind of officer he'd been made more sense, though.

The change of title from defence to war says it all. Defence is presumably too effeminate for a warrior. The fact he's so nakedly keen to project a hyper-masculine persona is frankly embarrassing, or would be in a world that hasn't gone quite so mad. Definite shades of dictators presiding over parades with massive missiles.

Well now I am going to have to admit I am uninformed. It never occured to me he had been in the army. I thought he was all play ground make believe.

What kind of officer was he?

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ScrollingLeaves · 13/03/2026 20:12

daysofpearlyspencer · 13/03/2026 19:58

I worked with Americans, many would come to our office in the UK having never left their home state before. We had one women who was scared by everything; the food, the traffic, the different money. Many seem so unaware of a world outside the US.

They barely get any news of anything abroad on the day to day tv.

Yuasa · 13/03/2026 20:00

I was surprised to find he had actually been in the military. Salivating over the 'American warrior' in his speech after the Venezuelan intervention, he came as the kind of guy who fantasised about being a soldier rather than actually having experience. Reading about the kind of officer he'd been made more sense, though.

The change of title from defence to war says it all. Defence is presumably too effeminate for a warrior. The fact he's so nakedly keen to project a hyper-masculine persona is frankly embarrassing, or would be in a world that hasn't gone quite so mad. Definite shades of dictators presiding over parades with massive missiles.

daysofpearlyspencer · 13/03/2026 19:58

I worked with Americans, many would come to our office in the UK having never left their home state before. We had one women who was scared by everything; the food, the traffic, the different money. Many seem so unaware of a world outside the US.

IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 19:48

daysofpearlyspencer · 13/03/2026 19:42

I have an acquaintance in a red state, they lap it up. I honestly think they see everything through a Hollywood lens. Its what they want to believe, like thinking Covid was all made up because they can't face the truth.

How depressing.

Its strange how adults go on about young people being influenced by social media, when so many of them are totally captured by tv and film make believe.

And whatever the rights or wrongs in various parts of the middle east, the idea that people with this level of understanding are meddling there, and have the weapons, it really, really scary.

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daysofpearlyspencer · 13/03/2026 19:42

IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 19:35

I think sadly, even though I would love to think that journalists have all now adopted a feminist analysis of politics, that it is because they are insulting him.

But honestly, the posturing and the language, whether its toxic masculinity or school boy showing off, if it wasn't so serious is would be so cringe inducing.

Although I have always felt Trump's view of the world / politics is based on US films he has seen or US tv series he has followed.

That what is important is that 2 minute clip or whatever, some special effects and the world is put to rights. That that is all you have to do.

And when it doesn't work he just gets bored.

But Hegseth is like some really bad B movie. Terrible script and then, which is so gross, mixing actual bombardments with movie clips.

I wonder how those in the US see it.

Terrifying that these are the men who have the finger on the button of atomic weapons.

I have an acquaintance in a red state, they lap it up. I honestly think they see everything through a Hollywood lens. Its what they want to believe, like thinking Covid was all made up because they can't face the truth.

IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 19:40

Although it would be niave of me not to realise that there will be parts of the US where they will applaud and agree with his behaviour.

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IwantToRetire · 13/03/2026 19:35

I think sadly, even though I would love to think that journalists have all now adopted a feminist analysis of politics, that it is because they are insulting him.

But honestly, the posturing and the language, whether its toxic masculinity or school boy showing off, if it wasn't so serious is would be so cringe inducing.

Although I have always felt Trump's view of the world / politics is based on US films he has seen or US tv series he has followed.

That what is important is that 2 minute clip or whatever, some special effects and the world is put to rights. That that is all you have to do.

And when it doesn't work he just gets bored.

But Hegseth is like some really bad B movie. Terrible script and then, which is so gross, mixing actual bombardments with movie clips.

I wonder how those in the US see it.

Terrifying that these are the men who have the finger on the button of atomic weapons.

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SerendipityJane · 13/03/2026 18:22

ScrollingLeaves · 13/03/2026 18:04

If you threaten Americans anywhere on this earth, we will hunt you down without apology and without hesitation and we will kill you.”
Pete Hesgeth, Secretary of Defense War, 2026

Said without shame or any fear of recrimination for themselves after not just threatening, but actually bombing, a whole school full of little girls.

What a big man with a big, big gun you are, Pete.

How embarrassing for America.

Shame the US can't protect it's own women before it acts the billy big bollocks abroad.

ScrollingLeaves · 13/03/2026 18:04

MarieDeGournay · 13/03/2026 16:58

You mean the Celts' revolt against the Roman invaders?
Boudica didn't start the war. The Romans started it.
One of the many wars that wouldn't have happened if imperialists had stayed at home🙄

Hesgeth is such a macho poser - the hectoring tone, the 'my country right or wrong', the slightly-too-tight suit jacket, the delight in describing death and destruction like it was a fun thing rather than [allegedly] a regrettable geopolitical necessity, the total lack of nuance, the Liam Neeson imitations*, the aggression towards anyone with the temerity to disagree, and then prayers - but only for his soldiers...

It's impressive in a scary way, he's totally committed to it, but I don't believe it's authentic.

*“If you threaten Americans anywhere on this earth, we will hunt you down without apology and without hesitation and we will kill you.”
Pete Hesgeth, Secretary of Defense War, 2026

I hear that with a slight Ballymena accent as in:
I will look for you, I will find you... and I will kill you.
Liam Neeson, Taken, 2008

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If you threaten Americans anywhere on this earth, we will hunt you down without apology and without hesitation and we will kill you.”
Pete Hesgeth, Secretary of Defense War, 2026

Said without shame or any fear of recrimination for themselves after not just threatening, but actually bombing, a whole school full of little girls.

What a big man with a big, big gun you are, Pete.

How embarrassing for America.

Dragonasaurus · 13/03/2026 17:37

SerendipityJane · 13/03/2026 16:48

Jane, I disagree, not all wars are started without at least some consideration or the purpose, the aims and some planning about the endgame

?

I was just suggesting that it's (almost) exclusively the menz that start wars. I don't really care why or how they mean to end them.

Sorry, misread

MarieDeGournay · 13/03/2026 16:58

SerendipityJane · 13/03/2026 16:32

All of those words could just as easily be replaced with a question about the last time a female (of the real sort) started a war.

Off the top of my head only Boudica comes to mind.

(Then I researched)

Zenobia of Palmyra (3rd century)
Olga of Kyiv (10th century)
Catherine the Great (18th century)

You mean the Celts' revolt against the Roman invaders?
Boudica didn't start the war. The Romans started it.
One of the many wars that wouldn't have happened if imperialists had stayed at home🙄

Hesgeth is such a macho poser - the hectoring tone, the 'my country right or wrong', the slightly-too-tight suit jacket, the delight in describing death and destruction like it was a fun thing rather than [allegedly] a regrettable geopolitical necessity, the total lack of nuance, the Liam Neeson imitations*, the aggression towards anyone with the temerity to disagree, and then prayers - but only for his soldiers...

It's impressive in a scary way, he's totally committed to it, but I don't believe it's authentic.

*“If you threaten Americans anywhere on this earth, we will hunt you down without apology and without hesitation and we will kill you.”
Pete Hesgeth, Secretary of Defense War, 2026

I hear that with a slight Ballymena accent as in:
I will look for you, I will find you... and I will kill you.
Liam Neeson, Taken, 2008

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