But, but it never happens……Germany

I wonder, since anyone can be anything in Germany at pain of fines or even prison for disagreeing, how are they going to make this work?

https://archive.ph/5vdqX

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/04/04/german-men-must-apply-army-booking-holidays-conscription/

Back to Germany: it will happen again, as long as the legacy media forget to report events that are important to women's rights and write wheedling articles on the trans issue.

For the former try to find an article on the decision of the Olympic committee to reintroduce sex testing on zeit.de (they had a number of articles on Imane Khelif back then). For the latter see https://www.zeit.de/2026/12/vivian-jenna-wilson-elon-musk-trans-tochter-model?freebie=67fe998e (gifted article).
Some reader comments are wheedling too, to the point that I wonder whether there was a call on social media to come and support the sister.

That’s the 2nd man claiming a trans identity in court for child rape I’ve seen in the UK news this week.

In fact, there’s so many of these cases it’s hard to keep track of how many there are. Also on the increase are men prosecuted for possession of CSAM material who claim as their defence that they offended as a result of gender issues.

Genderism drives a coach and horses through effective safeguarding and justice.

Wrong type of trans. But what's the test for true trans?

It’s a real demonstration of their lack of understanding. All the time and energy spent reading our posts and all they hear is ‘Mummy said No!’.

There’s no underlying processing of what we have said. It’s literally, thumbs in ears and ‘nerdy nerdy ner ner, I’m not listening!’.

Thus when they try and disrupt and disagree they use perfect examples of the problem- because they don’t understand the problem. Because their fingers are in their ears because they don’t like it when Mummy says no.

I’m fucking furious at the moment because a young person I love dearly has travelled alone to a foreign country and had a radical mastectomy. It’s the most popular insta post so far. What the fuck?! Whoever the hell campaigns for and applauds this is a psychotic monster.

The poster of the second post on this thread was absolutely bursting to post that link to the Canadian powerlifter. Why, when it proves OUR point so spectacularly??

Silverberg [who does not identify as transgender] bested transgender-identifying male competitor Anne Andres

These are two MEN in a women's competition.
The women's competition has gone to shit because of these laws.
As @Emilesgran said ^ the law is not fit for use because it enables this sort of abuse.

Anyway, OP, sorry to derail your thread a bit (although it wasn't actually us who started the derail).
I'm really interested in what is going on in Germany after their self-ID law came in and I hope you and others who have news about this keep posting.

So Germany made a law that anyone can choose their sex (in a legal sense) and get documents to state they're actually the opposite sex. No gatekeeping, just self ID.

Almost immediately, a bunch of men (including rapists, murderers, paedophiles and piss takers) decide they're women and get the documents to state that they're women.

Politicians and activists who campaigned for this are surprised and shocked that this has happened.

Nobody on mumsnet is surprised by this because it was fucking obvious it was going to happen.

(IIRC it was the same in Ireland. There was a bizarre quote by a politician or lawyer along the lines of "We didn't realise that when the self-ID law was passed that people would just self ID".)

These posters do our work for us! We may as well all go home.

@Greyskybluesky Indeed. To use a football analogy, they keep scoring own goal after own goal!

You’re missing the point: the law is responsible for this.

In this case, this guy is (most likely) exploiting a bad law to troll the government. Another man may exploit the same bad law to get access to more women victims in hospitals or at work, or for an easier time in prison. Or whatever.

The point is that regardless of the man’s reasons, the law is not fit for use because it enables this sort of abuse.

To quote Emma Watson - a woman who wouldn't recognise a logical fallacy if it hit her over the head: "Trans people are who they say they are and deserve to live their lives without being constantly questioned or told they aren't who they say they are."

So which is it? Is everyone who says they're trans actually trans? Or are some people pretending?

The useful point that they have both accidentally contributed to is that we don’t believe that people of particular perspectives on gender and sex are all good or all bad. Our point is there should never be any group of people who are automatically considered to be zero risk just because they have a particular PC. The hyperbole is usually on one side of the debate, Oh my god, you’re saying ALL trans people are predators!! when we point out that Transwomen are men and are just as capable of causing harm as any other man.

I usually scroll past these particular ploppers but for once they have been useful.

So our two visitors upthread (I'm not going to tag them) have posted two examples that are supposed to prove......something...

One is A MAN who entered a women's competition to show how shit their trans-inclusion policy is

The other is A MAN who turned out to be not what he presented as, and was actually a disgusting sex offender

And these are supposed to be some kind of gotchas?

They are both men. We don't want them in our spaces.

These posters do our work for us! We may as well all go home.

According to the Guardian, this serial killer is a woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/11/foster-children-left-in-home-triple-killer-regina-arthurell-ntwnfb

But the neo Nazi in the OP needs to be reclassified. What’s the difference?

What GCs have been arguing for years over- what TRA's consider to be a wonderful affirmation of their 'real' sex and GC's know is the exploitation of a loophole. Brilliant.

Suddenly, the authorities do know what a woman is?

This man is the exact reason why 'genderism' will defeat itself, eventually. When it is completely successful, women get hurt and the problems are so glaringly obvious that the only people who continue to support it are sadistic misogynists.

Well well well... what a pickle

Indeed the only "side" I'm on, to coin the slightly childish framing earlier, is the side of reality. I really don't want to be forced to pretend that some men are women. Those men need to get offline and do something meaningful with their lives.

Ooooh a deletion, hurrah! Tetchy aren’t they? Who knew Pagliacci emojis were so triggering…

@Delphin One can but hope.

Interesting last three paragraphs with the opinion of a lawyer and legal scholar, Udo Vetter:

[Vetter] argued that the law had deliberately made it all but impossible for registry offices to block applicants from changing gender on the basis that they did not seem to be sincere. Nor, in Vetter’s view, can Liebich’s previous statements attacking the transgender rights movements be used as evidence of his deceit.

“Should the Halle district court approve the application from the Saalekreis, it would not just create Germany’s first case of [self-ID] reversal,” Vetter wrote. “It would above all send out a signal that the self-ID law actually is subject to a material check, against the explicit will of the people who made the law.

“An interpretation along these lines cannot be reconciled with the literal wording and classification scheme of the law. At the end of the day, it would mean the end of the newly-won liberty [to change genders at will].”

This might end up at the Constitutional Court yet.

Will this guy be sent to a women's prison? Was he allowed into pool changing rooms with little girls? Were he and his friends invited to read stories to little kids at the library before his arrest?

The reason we don't talk about every pedo male that hits the news is because we're not surprised by those stories. Men like that are all too common. We ARE surprised (more like enraged) when the men in those news stories are the ones being allowed and invited into every place set aside for vulnerable women and children. It's the same reason priest and boy scout pedos get more attention in the news.

Man = pedo: not really news

Man with special access to kids and treated like a sacred cast = pedo: news

It's not hard to understand.

Oh, come now, don't take away their raison d'être.