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Hannah Spencer harassed in Manchester

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MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 08:42

Despite the fact that certain very vocal sections of this board are aggressively anti-trans and anti-Green, I'd gently suggest that this kind of confrontation and abuse is unacceptable in any civilised society, regardless of personal ideologies.

Link to article

Perhaps the saddest irony here is that these male bigots claim to be protecting women's rights whilst trying to attack a woman MP. On International Women's Day.

I'd be curious to see how other MNetters feel about this situation...

Green Party say 'Hannah Spencer won't be silenced' after Manchester violence

Hannah Spencer, Gorton and Denton's newly-elected MP, was ushered into a police car amid the unfolding chaos

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/green-party-hannah-spencer-mp-33554288

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MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 12:28

Soontobe60 · 09/03/2026 12:24

You need to be very clear what you mean here.
Does your definition of women include men pretending to be women, and this is the type of woman you claim to be marginalised?

No, my definition of women does not include men pretending to be women.
No, that is not the type of woman who is marginalised.

I'd have thought this should have been obvious...

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SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 09/03/2026 12:27

FallenSloppyDead4 · 09/03/2026 12:25

Just to clarify, it's Edge of the Matrix, not Billboard Chris

Thanks - I saw those posts after I’d made mine. I’ll go and look up the Edge of the Matrix, he sounds interesting.

Good job OP started this thread!

SigourneyHoward · 09/03/2026 12:26

Soontobe60 · 09/03/2026 12:24

You need to be very clear what you mean here.
Does your definition of women include men pretending to be women, and this is the type of woman you claim to be marginalised?

You'll probably get a telling off for even asking but couched in a 'gentle exhortation' possibly asking you to step back and breathe....

SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 09/03/2026 12:26

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 11:10

Of course, this pitchforks and brand-waving clamour has rather derailed the thread, which presumably was the intention in the first place by the usual suspects here, but it has at least been instructive that it has provided a neatly clear picture about the political ideologies that are core to this forum.

Maybe the online magazine Jezebel was right when they said MN "has become a toxic breeding ground for transphobia"...? 🤔

So you started a thread about male violence but now we’re derailing by talking about male violence because you were caught out trying to pretend the perpetrators of said violence was on ‘our’ side and not the side of the anti women Greens? Hmm.

FallenSloppyDead4 · 09/03/2026 12:25

Just to clarify, it's Edge of the Matrix, not Billboard Chris

Soontobe60 · 09/03/2026 12:24

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 12:22

Correct. That is very much the group I am referring to

You need to be very clear what you mean here.
Does your definition of women include men pretending to be women, and this is the type of woman you claim to be marginalised?

quantumbutterfly · 09/03/2026 12:24

midgetastic · 09/03/2026 12:21

So missS talks about marginalised groups - guess misS is referring to women then?

The biological kind of course, as defined by the supreme court.

KittyWilkinson · 09/03/2026 12:23

DrBlackbird · 09/03/2026 09:31

No, I wondered the same, but it’s a different poster. IIRC, @MissScarletintheBallroom was an A&E doc hence the informed views on medical aspects of PBs, CSHs, surgery etc.

Thanks for clearing that up. Interesting choice of user name in the light of that.
#Sad Times vibes.

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 12:22

midgetastic · 09/03/2026 12:21

So missS talks about marginalised groups - guess misS is referring to women then?

Correct. That is very much the group I am referring to

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midgetastic · 09/03/2026 12:21

So missS talks about marginalised groups - guess misS is referring to women then?

Soontobe60 · 09/03/2026 12:18

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 12:15

Correct, men are not marginalised.

But that isn't the group you mean, is it... 😉

Yes it is. Who do YOU mean?

Shedmistress · 09/03/2026 12:17

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 12:15

Correct, men are not marginalised.

But that isn't the group you mean, is it... 😉

Why not share which group you mean then?

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 12:15

Soontobe60 · 09/03/2026 12:12

Whom are these ‘marginalised people’ of which you speak? As far as I know, men are not marginalised.

Correct, men are not marginalised.

But that isn't the group you mean, is it... 😉

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Datun · 09/03/2026 12:15

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 12:01

I look at this rally and I am actually really shocked by the stewarding. The stewarding is aggressive and was not focused on de-escalation of the situation. It was a very poor stewarding effort.

I can't help wondering that at what point are these politicians,the police, event organisers, etc, are going to realise the god awful optics of blanking people and pretending they're not asking pertinent questions about women's rights and safety.

All whilst their security either ignore women being attacked, or actually take part in it themselves.

Thelnebriati · 09/03/2026 12:14

OP are you claiming that everyone who holds a belief is responsible for all the other people who share that belief? Good luck with that.

Soontobe60 · 09/03/2026 12:12

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 11:05

"No idea tbh but why are they always so aggressive?"

You admit to having no idea about a marginalised group, but still condemn make statements that they want total domination?

I can't imagine any other situation in life where people have no idea about a group of people but are still aggressively opposed to them...

Whom are these ‘marginalised people’ of which you speak? As far as I know, men are not marginalised.

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 12:10

I would rewrite the OP thus:

Despite the fact that certain very vocal sections of the left are aggressively anti-woman and anti-free speech, I'd firmly suggest that this kind of confrontation and abuse is unacceptable in any civilised society, regardless of personal ideologies.

Perhaps the saddest irony here is that these left-wing male bigots claim to be protecting women's rights whilst trying to attack a woman. On International Women's Day.

"I'd be curious to see how other MNetters feel about this situation" - I hope your curiosity has now been satisfied, OP

SmallChildCryingTearsofButter · 09/03/2026 12:07

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 09:05

"I think you’re a bit confused about which board you’re on- there’s no ‘anti trans’ voices here."
That comment doesn't even deserve the dignity of a response!

"Can you show the evidence that they were ‘trying to attack’ Hannah as you claim?"
I haven't claimed that, but I find it equal measures of interesting and depressing you immediately take that stance.

What I have done is is highlight a news report - one of very many, I should add - that covered an extremely aggressive confrontation.
There is also video footage of part of the incident, where the police are having to protect Hannah whilst they escort her to her car. The behaviour of those around her is, frankly, despicable.

Oh dear, I think there are some very crossed wires at your end.

You literally said this in your OP:
male bigots claim to be protecting women's rights whilst trying to attack a woman MP.

So then I asked you for the evidence that it was the men with the WR placards attacking her but now you are denying that you even said that? So I’m guessing you know that but wasn’t Billboard Chris and his colleague committing the violence even though that was your implication?

There is also video footage of part of the incident, where the police are having to protect Hannah whilst they escort her to her car. The behaviour of those around her is, frankly, despicable.

Your implication that the violence was committed by Billboard Chris etc was clear because no one could ever accuse the Green/Islamic men of protecting women’s rights 🤣

If you’ve got an issue with the violence from the Green/Islamic men, go tell them about it. I’m not sure why you’ve come here to berate women?

Btw, this board is about discussing women’s rights. If you deem that to be ‘anti trans’ then that highlights the serious incompatibility of women’s rights and trans ideology. Doesn’t it.

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 12:05

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 11:55

"derailed the thread, which presumably was the intention in the first place"

Setting the facts straight isn't "derailing".

Even the shitty Manchester Evening News says this:
She was questioned by a YouTuber wearing a 'Trans women are men' sandwich board, who repeatedly asked 'Are trans women women?' and 'Can a woman have a penis?'. Two men then began arguing as punches were thrown before a police officer intervened. One of the same men then became involved in a separate altercation with a woman, as several others stepped in.

I personally am thankful to this OP because I had been seeing footage of it on my phone since the wee hours of this morning and now that I can see it on my desktop, it is very clear what has happened.

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 12:01

I look at this rally and I am actually really shocked by the stewarding. The stewarding is aggressive and was not focused on de-escalation of the situation. It was a very poor stewarding effort.

Datun · 09/03/2026 11:59

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 11:10

Of course, this pitchforks and brand-waving clamour has rather derailed the thread, which presumably was the intention in the first place by the usual suspects here, but it has at least been instructive that it has provided a neatly clear picture about the political ideologies that are core to this forum.

Maybe the online magazine Jezebel was right when they said MN "has become a toxic breeding ground for transphobia"...? 🤔

Oh give over. Your opening post is complete bollocks.

The Equalities Officer from Unison is the person who punched a woman in the face.

And the video very helpfully shows it all in slow motion, so you don't miss a single second

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 11:55

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 11:10

Of course, this pitchforks and brand-waving clamour has rather derailed the thread, which presumably was the intention in the first place by the usual suspects here, but it has at least been instructive that it has provided a neatly clear picture about the political ideologies that are core to this forum.

Maybe the online magazine Jezebel was right when they said MN "has become a toxic breeding ground for transphobia"...? 🤔

"derailed the thread, which presumably was the intention in the first place"

Setting the facts straight isn't "derailing".

Even the shitty Manchester Evening News says this:
She was questioned by a YouTuber wearing a 'Trans women are men' sandwich board, who repeatedly asked 'Are trans women women?' and 'Can a woman have a penis?'. Two men then began arguing as punches were thrown before a police officer intervened. One of the same men then became involved in a separate altercation with a woman, as several others stepped in.

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 11:54

This looks like the assault.

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Sortingmyself · 09/03/2026 11:54

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 09:28

Look, can someone clear something up for me? Not least the OP.

OP, are you the poster that used to post as @MissScarletintheBallroom ?

Because I found her posts to be well considered and well researched. If you are, what happened?

Christ. Thank the lord for that. I was starting to have a little cry that @MissScarletintheballroom had changed her mind about things!!

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 11:52

I just watched the video from EdgeoftheMatrix and he asked questions while Hannah Spencer was well surrounded by police and security.

I am off to find the footage of just who did punch the woman in the face. If anyone has that link, it would be appreciated.

But I do recommend watching the link Hoardasurass posted up thread. A woman tried to take his sign, men tried to shoulder him out of the way, other men intimidated him by blocking him. The rise in numbers of 'auditors' doesn't surprise me when you see this type of behaviour, they get viewer numbers just from people fact checking.

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