Sandie Peggie: what an incredible woman!

Yes, she admitted discussing a patient, and their 'condition' in the WhatsApp chat, but such is the skewed sense of what's right and what's wrong at NHS Fife, that seems to have passed-by a disciplinary by either NHS Fife or the NMC. Breaching patient confidentiality is a no-no for nurses or any healthcare professionals.........just not in Fife apparently where it's fine as long as you're giving evidence on their behalf at a Tribunal. Have they gone lightly on her because she gave evidence against Sandie at the Tribunal? If so, it's just another sense of shoddy behaviour and process at NHS Fife.

'Pushing her buttons ' -that just further exposes their greed.

I agree that it's fairly easy to refrain from mocking the deaths of children in a flood, but it is also a fact that you have shared exactly the same 'jokes' much more widely than Sandie Peggie did.

Quite. I think that was a pretty crass thing for @Carla786 to do, but maybe she just didn't consider the feelings of anyone on this thread who might read those 'jokes' and be deeply, personally upset by them.

Yes, what I meant was that pp's post implied that was due to class. I don't think that's necessarily true.

Agree on all of that.

I'd love to know what to take...🤣

I think she said she needed to look it up, didn't she?

The stronger point, which I agree with, is that Peggie is entitled to a dignified single sex space whatever else she says or does. No ifs, no buts

Agree with this. I think shes a bit of an arsehole but that doesn’t make her case any less valid (or brave).

What does one take as a gift to JK’s birthday party though??

Are working-class people unlikely to know what words like 'bigot' mean? I think that's a bit of an unwarranted assumption: vocabulary knowledge isn't necessarily dependent on class.
I agree with the wider point that it showed the fact that working class people are less likely to buy into stuff like TWAW and then face unfair accusations.

I don't think that logic always fits: by that logic we wouldn't be able to criticise 'Dr' Upton's behaviour either, since no-one is without sin.
When Jesus said that, he meant that the woman shouldn't be stoned. He still told her to stop committing adultery, that sentence wasn't a call to withhold moral judgement entirely.

The stronger point, which I agree with, is that Peggie is entitled to a dignified single sex space whatever else she says or does. No ifs, no buts.

Definitely: this case is no different from a case where someone experiences sexual harassment, or any other kind of discrimination/privacy invasion. Their character/opinions etc are irrelevant to their right not to have their space invaded by biological men.

I thought it was a great interview and in stark contrast to fabricating serious career ending patient care allegations, she wished Dr Upton had been treated better by their employer.

It’s possible that Sandie is a racist. I don’t know. But even if she is she is still entitled to single sex spaces at work. And she is still incredibly courageous to see her life fall apart and still stand firm for single sex spaces. I might or might not like her if I met her, but I am so grateful to her for what she has done in standing up to the gender Borg.

Let she who is without sin cast the first stone.

I agree that it's fairly easy to refrain from mocking the deaths of children in a flood, but it is also a fact that you have shared exactly the same 'jokes' much more widely than Sandie Peggie did. What your motives were for quoting them in full in a forum open to everyone on the Internet, I don't know. She shared them in a small closed group of friends. What her motives were for doing that, I don't know. It could have been that she was expressing incredulity that someone wrote such things. Maybe she gained some satisfaction from being edgy or controversial. Maybe she finds 'dark humour' funny; I confess that I have found at least one unpleasant joke about people's deaths funny (though at least it wasn't racist, so I can smugly claim that I'm better than anyone who laughed at the flood jokes).

What is obvious is that any racism doesn't prevent her from sympathising with Jennifer Melle.

Hmm...well I think it's fairly easy to refrain from mocking the deaths of children in a flood. I'm sure most of us would have some criticiseable comment on our phones, but I think mocking deaths, including kids' deaths,,crosses a pretty big line.

The point is not the individual example though. The point is that every one of us would have something that could be used to attack us, if that's the purpose.

However unsavory Sandi's views, they were not relevant to her job performance (which is more than you can say for Lindsay).

Hmm...well I think it's fairly easy to refrain from mocking the deaths of children in a flood. I'm sure most of us would have some criticiseable comment on our phones, but I think mocking deaths, including kids' deaths,,crosses a pretty big line.

I agree totally though that the messages were irrelevant to the case. All women deserve single sex spaces and it sets a dangerous precedent that only 'good' women should have their right to one respected.

I didn't know that about Lindsay but sounds likely. If she did that should be investigated.

No she shouldn't have. Agreed.

But what one of us could withstand the scrutiny of seven years of text messages? I'm sure they'd find something problematic for everyone of us if they looked hard enough.

Bear in mind the comments were in no way relevant to the case in hand, they were used to smear her more generally.

Lindsay's own WA weren't whiter than white if I recall correctly. Wasnt she discussing confidential patient information?

Excellent post.

I think some men can have great empathy but generally the average man scores lower than the average woman- and that's a big part of these problems.

Sandie shouldn't have made the racist jokes though, about flood victims no less. Lindsay didn't force her to make them.

I agree that Lindsay's actions are themselves very disturbing though : why did she want to derail this case to protect women's spaces?

Ss pps suggest, probably greed...

She does have a horrible sense of humour judging by these gems she posted to the WhatsApp group :

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/5297419/sandie-peggie-nhs-fife-flood-victims-racist-posts/

'1 – Rumour has it that the floods in Pakistan were started by a suicide plumber.

2 – There’s a new curry been brought out in aid of the Pakistani flood disaster victims. It’s a chicken bury auntie, served with a nan dead and poppa gone.

3 – The BNP have donated 6,000 crocodiles to the Pakistani flood appeal.

4 – The Queen has sent a letter of condolence to the Pakistani president. She wanted to mention that Britain has plenty of spare p*kis if they want some back.

5 – I bet little Mohammed isn’t having to walk 3 miles fetch water now! I think I’ll ask for my 1 a month donation back.

6 – What do you call a Pakistani flood survivor…Mustaf a dinghy.

7 – What goes around comes around. Pakistanis have been flooding Britain for years.

8 – From space Pakistan looks like a giant bowl of coco pops.

9 – There is a new diet sweeping Pakistan. It’s called swim fast.

10 – Charity single just released for the Pakistani flood disaster…Rain keeps falling on Ahmed.'

But you , ChristinaApple, no doubt think thus discredits Peggie's cause . It doesn't. Women's rights are human rights, and human rights are to protect everyone, including unpleasant people.

Karma has caught up with Lindsey as Sandie mentioned in another interview that while she is still going on holidays with the Benidrom WhatsApp crew that Lindsey is not.

I also remember the reference to the payout. Someone was clearly pushing her buttons.

I don't think she said it in court but it was reported she'd said words to the effect of "that wee idiot getting a huge payout" by maybe one of the other witnesses, is my recollection

I honestly can't recall if I am right on that though- i was on the threads but not witnessing the tribunal online.

God if that's true that's even worse. What a betrayal. I can't imagine how awful that made Sandie feel that a friend she'd been on holidays with would do that to her. The ultimate definition of a back stabber.