Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) removed from IWD event by police

Oh it's back to tone-policing women I see. She didn't speak in a soft dulcet tone? She was assertive. Heaven forbid a woman or feminist be assertive. It's enough to beg for your rights, you must do it plaintively in a soft submissive tone or else you are not 'polite' like all good women should be.

FMD sometimes it really is like being in the 1940s still on here.

Define 'anti trans ideology'.

Ideally, first thing every morning and last thing every night, straight after brushing your teeth. Only way to make sure that you don't turn into a racist, white supremacist in your sleep.

What's the validity period on clear and transparent rejection of white supremacy and racism? How often does it need to be renewed to be acceptable? Not asking for a precise answer, of course, but a general idea of your feeling in terms of every how many weeks, months or years this sort of thing needs to be repeated would be helpful. Ta.

Oh, I agree. Just pointing out that your defence that you hadn't contributed to this thread under two different names because the forum software doesn't let you doesn't hold a lot of weight. A simple claim of "I really couldn't be bothered" is more credible, in my eyes. As you were.

did the title of this thread get changed?

did it always have the bit aka

Seems unnecessarily messy to negotiate when it’s just an anonymous chat forum.

I watched a video in which she said that unions were all misogynistic, and that it was a waste of time joining the Gala, because of this or words to that effect.

That rings a bell so I understand now what you were getting at. She has actually been very supportive and paid for the materials for the first banner we took, which was a Standing For Women banner in a traditional style (photo attached).

The Unison head-butting incident was probably due to the fact that we also had banners supporting the Darlington Nurses - a banner for each nurse, naming and supporting her. If the woman who assaulted the LWS member was not the sister of "Rose" Henderson then she was her doppelgänger.

We have chatted to union groups every year and some have been very supportive. It was very encouraging that the all-male delegation for the Prison Officers Association knew that men were being incarcerated with women and were 100% opposed.

and PM you under a different name

I remember ❤️

i am going this year and will try and find LWS if they have a contingency

If you are a LWS member we will be advertising in the "Nest" where and when we will be meeting and we will have a LWS Banner to help you to find us 👍

Photo attached of some of us at the IWD Suffragette March at Beamish Museum on Sunday with the LWS North East Banner.

they can walk under or behind our miners wives banner for protection.

That is brilliant! Not that we need protection but that a women's group would actually support us and want to be associated with us. When you attend, you will see what I mean.

As usual, we are up against the massed ranks of the female, left-wing #bekind brigade who are carrying banners. A stark contrast to women lining the streets watching the procession, who cheer us on, hold out their hands to take our leaflets and some have even come through the barriers to march with us.

It is a very visible demonstration of how far removed the trade union elite and organisations of left-wing women are from public sentiment on this issue.

If the miners wives are with us that is a very big deal and would be an important signal to the Left that they might actually pay attention to. Possibly in a good way although they are quite capable of noticing and, as a result, branding them bigots.

That said, the Gala is still a few months away and there is enough time yet for your group to be subverted by a "concerned" drag queen or a woman who has a "trans kid" in her family 🫣

So, 7 years ago? Much can happen in the political landscape in 7 years, let alone a personal one. Her politics has changed outwardly in that timeframe.

I think, if asked, MNHQ would not agree my few posts on this thread could be defined as disruptive and disrespectful. At least, I haven’t accused others of being male or a plopper. As for alter ego - you are aware usernames can’t be changed on the same thread, aren’t you?

This wasn't in a trans subreddit either. It was the LabourUK one, so you'd expect posters to be from here where gender critical beliefs are protected.

I wonder how that works moderation wise? With it being a US company I wonder if they can enforce their own policies as a private service provider or whether they still need to respect protected beliefs etc.

Well, I just got a post deleted and a warning for 'promoting hate' on Reddit for what I'd have said was a pretty diplomatic reply to a post about Labour's 'transphobic' policies. First time I've ever had a warning in years of being on there.

I just said that I think Self ID was the straw that broke the camel's back as it would have effectively removed the ability for women to use single sex spaces to escape from male harassment. Gave the example that I'd been followed by weirdos while out shopping before and popped into the ladies to escape them whilst I called my mates who were on a different floor.

I said it's a terrifying thought that a stalker could surprise me in a state of undress in the ladies changing room and proceed to get naked whilst still being entirely within the bounds of the law.

I've just watched that KJK footage with the very tall man who says he's a woman. And read the poster who claims he's a friend (I think that's bollocks, they're just appropriating the event).

The footage is absolutely rage inducing.

The man listed, by rote, all the reasons why the Supreme Court judgement was 'wrong'. He's been bloody brainwashed by nasty, TRAs online. And he also thinks he's in danger in the men's.

And KJK is absolutely right when she says he would be a very frightening presence in a woman's toilet. He feels entitled (thanks again TRAs), and is physically intimidating.

And once again, for the billionth time, I really am fucking flabbergasted how we ever got to this. Telling a massive bloke he's not allowed in the ladies. And the madness is that it's considered controversial.

Yes but is it a male or female dog?

Tbf, though, no matter what word you use to describe the animal commonly known as a dog it isn't going to start meowing. It will still be the same animal as it is now and as it was before the word "dog" existed.

For a start, you shouldn’t make false representations as to what KJK said to your friend.

And your friend should not be using any female single sex provisions. It is not hateful to point that out directly to him.

He was standing in front of the courthouse where the Darlington nurses case was being heard. A highly relevant case for male access to female single sex provisions.

Oh come on he is a rather tall overweight man who has clearly got mental health problems. It is just down right cruel to “affirm” his delusions, that he is somehow a woman.

And that is because he is not a woman and all the world can see it and will never accept his silly assertions.

All he will ever experience is social isolation and the discomfort that will surround him how does that help this poor lump of a man?

I saw this footage when it was released, and i felt terribly sad for him. And KJK was not cruel at all.

what are you possibly supposed to say - no you are not a woman.

HTH

I think the problem is that partly because MNHQ without consulting us renamed the thread that is actually and always was Feminism and Women's Rights - ie FWR has attracted those who have heard or participated in arguements about women's sex based rights but purely on a left right basis.

And it also true that because it is maily right wing outlets that bother with any sort of pro gender critical reports, that there are some who think this must be a haven for those who are right wing.

And equally attracts all of those who being spear carriers for leftie men think they will earn brownie points by coming on here to lecture us about not having the right politics. By that they mean male left.

So all in all while left and right are scoring points of each other what gets squeezed out time and again is discussion based on if not identical but at least within common idenitification of feminism.

Certainly compared to when I first started reading FWR which I did for quite a while before joining in, there seemed to be much more emphasis on looking at eevents through a feminism prism.

But in fact that was just before MNHQ on the basis of absolutely nothing hyphened off feminism into being "chat" and women's rights being sex and gender.

Not that anyone paid any attention except the nice girls who liked to chat. And could "legitimately" ignore trans as being a feminist issue.

But if I remember quite a few long time posters gave up and left FWR. And I suppose their background had helped make feminism the core.

So on one level not surprised that some dont experience this as being overtly "feminist" but a single issue discussion informed by pale male party politics.

So what are people supposed to say? I've met transwomen that are estranged from their families because the family didn't affirm their desired gender. I've asked transpeople how they know they're trans and have either been told I can't possibly understand so they're not going to try to explain, or that they know in their hearts.

Except you lied about your friend's experience in order to take a cheap shot at KJK, who actually showed more respect to your friend than you have done. You used him; that's not friendship.

Is your friend a trans woman? Does he use women’s facilities, e.g. changing rooms, loos?

@Waheymum just to be clear now you have confirmed that the footage as at above provided by @Helleofabore is your friend. Are you asking that we accept his delusions that he is a woman?

it is pretty obvious he has serious problems, which affirming he is a woman is a harmful approach, by any standards.

Didn’t he stop her to talk to her?

You have now confirmed that this is your friend. However, that discussion did match your description of it at all.

You seem to have heard a completely different discussion or your friend reported it to you with a very different interpretation of what was said.

She did not say at all that God and his mother hated him, quite the opposite.

Your post will likely be deleted for the c word but it has been seen