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Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) removed from IWD event by police

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ImTooMessyButImTooClean · 06/03/2026 18:02

https://x.com/theposieparker/status/2029940578528473283?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

“My removal from the international women’s day event by the police.

I had been asking women’s organisations whether their services were for women only. This caused alarm and distress and the venue, claimed to be privately owned when it’s owned by the council, asked me to leave for asking questions.

I have footage of every interaction that I will upload later so you can see what those questions were and you can judge for yourself.”

Kellie-Jay Keen (@ThePosieParker) on X

My removal from the international women’s day event by the police. I had been asking women’s organisations whether their services were for women only. This caused alarm and distress and the venue, claimed to be privately owned when it’s owned by the...

https://x.com/theposieparker/status/2029940578528473283?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/03/2026 14:51

Waheymum · 20/03/2026 13:33

As my friend stated, she does not use women's toilets. I'm case you weren't aware, people with disabilities are not afforded the luxury of single sex toilets or changing rooms.

The disabled toilets I know about are not shared spaces? Why is your friend using a disabled loo, he's not disabled, now he seems to be invading 2 spaces, how much more does he get to do before he's in the wrong as far as you're concerned. He's a man, there are spaces provided for men to use, he should be using them.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 20/03/2026 14:15

BezMills · 20/03/2026 14:11

100% this man uses female loos.

I agree Bez. KJK’s “so you’ve heard it now” comment was likely in response to this bloke claiming that no woman has ever told him to leave.

BezMills · 20/03/2026 14:11

100% this man uses female loos.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 20/03/2026 14:01

Waheymum’s Friend : How am I abusing women?

KJK: Can I just tell you as a woman, don’t use women only spaces cos you would make women and girls feel afraid. So you’ve heard it now, don’t use women only spaces. Is that clear?

Waheymum's Friend : yeah. I will just use a disabled toilet and fuck off disabled people…..

He doesn’t say here that he already uses the disabled loos, he mentions the disabled loos as a sort of gotcha (and a petulant one at that). He is spending the video justifying reasons why men should use women’s toilets. It’s strange that he didn’t say that he doesn’t uses women’s loos as that at the vore of this conversation. perhaps he has reflected since and now used disabled loos.

This video does not in any way shape or form reflect the version that you claimed in your first post in this thread.

This is a vulnerable man who is not served well by those affirming and validating his self perception. I imagine that he struggled to fit in with his peers at school etc and he has probably grasped onto a trans identity to explain to himself why he didn’t fit in. But that is just him clutching at the wrong straw.

Waheymum · 20/03/2026 13:33

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/03/2026 10:25

Your posts about your friend are irrelevant, women don't want men in their spaces, we don't have to explain it, we don't have to justify it, the fact that we don't want it is enough. You're friend is a man, he needs to stay out of women's spaces.

As my friend stated, she does not use women's toilets. I'm case you weren't aware, people with disabilities are not afforded the luxury of single sex toilets or changing rooms.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/03/2026 10:25

Your posts about your friend are irrelevant, women don't want men in their spaces, we don't have to explain it, we don't have to justify it, the fact that we don't want it is enough. You're friend is a man, he needs to stay out of women's spaces.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 20/03/2026 10:19

As my friend states in the video, she does not use women's toilets; she uses disabled toilets because she's disabled. I have never seen a transwoman (at least not one that doesn't pass!) in a women's toilet. I also suspect it is still far more common for women to be assaulted by men that identify as men. Additionally, transwomen on estrogen (I imagine most transwomen) will likely find it difficult-impossible to get and maintain an erection because it blocks or cancels out testosterone so is effectively chemical castration.

But where would he go if he were not disabled? Just because he isn't using women's loos doesn't mean other big burly, possibly weird and predatory men in dresses are not. There is a man in my town who obviously has some mental disability or mental illness, who walks around all day with a variety of different dresses over the top of his otherwise completely male clothing. His hair is long but no make-up, no heels. He doesn't pass in any way whatsoever and it doesn't seem that he even tried to. He's a BIG man and clearly mentally unstable to some degree or other. He is very strange and quite intimidating looking, always has a very intense scowl on his face. If you'd found out he was a flasher or a high school shooter you'd say 'yeah, that figures.' Possibly harmless, possibly not, but there is absolutely no way any woman would feel comfortable meeting him head on in a ladies' bathroom, or anywhere when she was alone.

Just because you know a trans identified person you believe is harmless does absolutely nothing to prove that they all are. And we know very well that some of them ARE a danger to women. We know it. It's not hunch, it's a proveable fact.

What you are doing is the same as saying it's perfectly okay to ignore signs on entering fields full of baby lambs, or beaches full of basking seals, saying 'please keep your dogs on a lead'. Your logic is that because no lambs or seals are going to be have their throats ripped out by a bichon frise, it's okay to let breeds with high prey drives or strong hunting or fighting instincts loose, because they are 'just dogs who mean no harm and can't do any real damage' too.

The sooner people like your friend realise that women wanting to protect themselves, their daughters and other women isn't some baseless or bigoted personal vendetta against them personally, the better for all of us it will be.

ThatBlackCat · 20/03/2026 09:03

Waheymum · 20/03/2026 06:07

As my friend states in the video, she does not use women's toilets; she uses disabled toilets because she's disabled. I have never seen a transwoman (at least not one that doesn't pass!) in a women's toilet. I also suspect it is still far more common for women to be assaulted by men that identify as men. Additionally, transwomen on estrogen (I imagine most transwomen) will likely find it difficult-impossible to get and maintain an erection because it blocks or cancels out testosterone so is effectively chemical castration.

Are you ever going to have the courage and honesty to address the issue that either your friend lied or you lied about the Jesus comment? Or are you going to flee again?

Shedmistress · 20/03/2026 08:05

People who think that men who say they are women are somehow 'chemically castrated':
a - need to tell the men who take photos of themselves in female toilets with their erections
b - seem to think this would be a good thing
c - cannot be proven wrong as if we posted photos to the contrary, we'd probably be put into jail for it

YanbuOk · 20/03/2026 07:55

Waheymum · 20/03/2026 06:07

As my friend states in the video, she does not use women's toilets; she uses disabled toilets because she's disabled. I have never seen a transwoman (at least not one that doesn't pass!) in a women's toilet. I also suspect it is still far more common for women to be assaulted by men that identify as men. Additionally, transwomen on estrogen (I imagine most transwomen) will likely find it difficult-impossible to get and maintain an erection because it blocks or cancels out testosterone so is effectively chemical castration.

Sexual assault doesn’t require an erect penis.

Shall we list the ways:
penetration by tongue, fingers, implement, dildo etc etc
grabbing of breasts
groping of body
unwanted kissing of any part of body or face
fondling his non erect penis while assaulting someone

I’m not suggesting he would do anything but your pot is naive.

Your friend is a biological male and in affirming him as a woman people are further exploiting his vulnerability.

KnottyAuty · 20/03/2026 07:31

Waheymum · 20/03/2026 06:07

As my friend states in the video, she does not use women's toilets; she uses disabled toilets because she's disabled. I have never seen a transwoman (at least not one that doesn't pass!) in a women's toilet. I also suspect it is still far more common for women to be assaulted by men that identify as men. Additionally, transwomen on estrogen (I imagine most transwomen) will likely find it difficult-impossible to get and maintain an erection because it blocks or cancels out testosterone so is effectively chemical castration.

Oh sorry for got to ask - now you have watched the video of your friend - how does their version of the convo compare with what you watched?

KnottyAuty · 20/03/2026 07:24

Waheymum · 20/03/2026 06:07

As my friend states in the video, she does not use women's toilets; she uses disabled toilets because she's disabled. I have never seen a transwoman (at least not one that doesn't pass!) in a women's toilet. I also suspect it is still far more common for women to be assaulted by men that identify as men. Additionally, transwomen on estrogen (I imagine most transwomen) will likely find it difficult-impossible to get and maintain an erection because it blocks or cancels out testosterone so is effectively chemical castration.

You are obviously a very faithful friend and maybe the person you know is entirely “harmless” in terms of safety. However I think youre struggling to step outside of your own experience. And theres also privacy and dignity to consider.

Just because Youve not heard or experienced such things doesn’t mean they haven’t happened. Are you aware of how much information is omitted or distorted so that news reports aren’t at all clear on this?

Theres no need to take hormones or have any treatment whatsoever. Anyone can claim a trans identity and all the public policy (unlawfully) seems to say that this is enough to allow access to female spaces. Im not ok with that - you like many people assume that the chemical or physical “castration” deals with everything but it doesn’t.

Out of interest where do you stand on sports? Are you ok with two males getting to the final in a women’s competition for example?

Or the public boards in Scotland issue? If the policy is to increase women’s participation, how many of those places could be taken up by TW (displacing the females the initiative intended to help) before you’d think something wasn’t quite right?

334bu · 20/03/2026 07:21

So , as long as a man suffers with penile dysfunction, they are welcome in female toilets ?

Waheymum · 20/03/2026 06:07

Turtlesgottaturtle · 15/03/2026 00:22

I've just watched that whole video with the conversation between KJK and your friend, who is very clearly male and is built like a house. I don't think you can have watched it yourself, have you? KJK was so calm, patient and nice to your friend, recognising that he's "vulnerable". It sounds as though the people who are close to him are doing him no favours in telling him what he wants to hear, as well as doing no favours to the women in the women's toilets he uses.

As my friend states in the video, she does not use women's toilets; she uses disabled toilets because she's disabled. I have never seen a transwoman (at least not one that doesn't pass!) in a women's toilet. I also suspect it is still far more common for women to be assaulted by men that identify as men. Additionally, transwomen on estrogen (I imagine most transwomen) will likely find it difficult-impossible to get and maintain an erection because it blocks or cancels out testosterone so is effectively chemical castration.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/03/2026 04:40

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 15/03/2026 16:25

Just noticed that the 25 Feb 2026 Local Government Lawyer article's authors are:

Helen Fry is a Senior Associate, Suhan Rajkumar is a Partner and Thérèse Rankin is a Senior Associate and Knowledge Lawyer at Bates Wells.

They also published this on the Bates Wells website on 19 Feb 2026

Case update: Good Law Project Limited & Ors v EHRC
Posted on 19 February 2026
https://bateswells.co.uk/updates/case-update-good-law-project-limited-ors-v-ehrc/

I am right in thinking that Bates Wells is also the firm that advises the WI and Girl Guiding, who produced similarly worded weepy statements regretting that the Supreme Court judgement has forced them to recognise that women are women (WI) and girls are girls (GG)?

And the Green Party I think

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 15/03/2026 16:25

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 15/03/2026 14:22

So no change and nothing "rolled back", MaIeficent. Just spin on the failed GLP case.

Compare and contrast:

House of Commons Library Research Briefing
Supreme Court judgment on the meaning of “sex” in the Equality Act 2010: For Women Scotland

Original version: 14 May 2025
Current, updated version: 11 March 2026

The URL has not changed:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10259/

Plug that into https://web.archive.org/ and go back to the earliest archived version.

Plus see this legal advice for the hospitality industry, 2 July 2025:

What Are The Implications Of The Supreme Court Decision On Biological Sex For The Hospitality Industry
Ben Stepney, Partner in the Employment team at Thomson Snell & Passmore
July 2 2025

In workplaces:

• Operators must provide sufficient single-sex toilets, as well as sufficient single-sex changing and washing facilities where these facilities are needed

• Gender neutral facilities can be provided in addition to single-sex

• Single sex facilities should be used on the basis of biological sex.

In venues open to the public:

• It is not compulsory for services that are open to the public have single-sex facilities

• Failure to provide single-sex provision could amount to indirect sex discrimination against women

• Single sex facilities must only be used on the basis of biological sex.

"The Supreme Court ruling underscores a complex tension: protecting single-sex rights for women while preventing discrimination against staff and customers.

By offering gender-neutral options, delivering staff training, engaging in stakeholder consultation, and working with legal advisors the industry can uphold compliance while maintaining a welcoming environment for all staff and customers."

Full article:
https://catererlicensee.com/what-are-the-implications-of-the-supreme-court-decision-on-biological-sex-for-the-hospitality-industry/

Edited

Just noticed that the 25 Feb 2026 Local Government Lawyer article's authors are:

Helen Fry is a Senior Associate, Suhan Rajkumar is a Partner and Thérèse Rankin is a Senior Associate and Knowledge Lawyer at Bates Wells.

They also published this on the Bates Wells website on 19 Feb 2026

Case update: Good Law Project Limited & Ors v EHRC
Posted on 19 February 2026
https://bateswells.co.uk/updates/case-update-good-law-project-limited-ors-v-ehrc/

I am right in thinking that Bates Wells is also the firm that advises the WI and Girl Guiding, who produced similarly worded weepy statements regretting that the Supreme Court judgement has forced them to recognise that women are women (WI) and girls are girls (GG)?

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 15/03/2026 14:22

So no change and nothing "rolled back", MaIeficent. Just spin on the failed GLP case.

Compare and contrast:

House of Commons Library Research Briefing
Supreme Court judgment on the meaning of “sex” in the Equality Act 2010: For Women Scotland

Original version: 14 May 2025
Current, updated version: 11 March 2026

The URL has not changed:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10259/

Plug that into https://web.archive.org/ and go back to the earliest archived version.

Plus see this legal advice for the hospitality industry, 2 July 2025:

What Are The Implications Of The Supreme Court Decision On Biological Sex For The Hospitality Industry
Ben Stepney, Partner in the Employment team at Thomson Snell & Passmore
July 2 2025

In workplaces:

• Operators must provide sufficient single-sex toilets, as well as sufficient single-sex changing and washing facilities where these facilities are needed

• Gender neutral facilities can be provided in addition to single-sex

• Single sex facilities should be used on the basis of biological sex.

In venues open to the public:

• It is not compulsory for services that are open to the public have single-sex facilities

• Failure to provide single-sex provision could amount to indirect sex discrimination against women

• Single sex facilities must only be used on the basis of biological sex.

"The Supreme Court ruling underscores a complex tension: protecting single-sex rights for women while preventing discrimination against staff and customers.

By offering gender-neutral options, delivering staff training, engaging in stakeholder consultation, and working with legal advisors the industry can uphold compliance while maintaining a welcoming environment for all staff and customers."

Full article:
https://catererlicensee.com/what-are-the-implications-of-the-supreme-court-decision-on-biological-sex-for-the-hospitality-industry/

What Are The Implications Of The Supreme Court Decision On Biological Sex For The Hospitality Industry

What Are The Implications Of The Supreme Court Decision On Biological Sex For The Hospitality Industry - CLH News: Caterer, Licensee and Hotelier News - News for Pubs, Bars, Hotels and Restaurants

By Ben Stepney, Partner in the Employment team at Thomson Snell & Passmore (https://ts-p.co.uk/) The hospitality industry may feel as thought it has enough on its plate with rising costs, taxes and customers feeling the pinch, but operators should be a...

https://catererlicensee.com/what-are-the-implications-of-the-supreme-court-decision-on-biological-sex-for-the-hospitality-industry/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2026 06:26

There has never been any positive requirement for toilets to be single sex. Nothing has changed. However the GLP judge confirmed that not providing female only might constitute indirect sex discrimination against women and girls.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2026 06:23

It’s pure spin that they didn’t lose on all counts. There was no “finding” that meant that the EHRC were wrong in their assessment or legal interpretation that “women only” spaces must be single sex. I’d give your source the side eye personally as they’re putting a GLP style sugar coating on it.

MaIeficent · 15/03/2026 05:38

The Equality Act applies to both service providers and workplaces. The GLP lost their legal challenge to the EHRC guidance on all counts.

These bits seem to contradict that though.

There is no requirement for service providers to provide toilets on a single-sex basis, but they can choose to do so if it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

Unless and until it is successfully appealed or overruled by a higher court, it should be treated as the most authoritative statement of the law in this area. It takes precedence over the recent decisions issued by the Employment Tribunal, for example, which are not binding.

MaIeficent · 15/03/2026 05:34

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 15/03/2026 01:25

I notice that they seem to have rolled back a bit on the ruling and it now allows venues to let men use the ladies facilties. The law only applies to workplaces now I believe.

Where did you read that please?

All seems a bit vague and circumstantial to me....

Summary of the High Court’s decision

The Court rejected the claims, and held that the interim update had accurately represented the law (and that the EqA was compatible with Convention rights).

As explained in more detail below, the Court commented that, whilst employers and service providers must comply with applicable law, neither the Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 (“1992 Regulations”) nor the EqA (read in light of For Women Scotland) impose a blanket rule in relation to access to facilities such as toilets. Each situation will turn on its own facts, and organisations should be guided by “common sense and benevolence”.

In both cases, there is an expectation that biologically single-sex toilets (or individual lockable rooms available for use by all) will be provided – in workplaces, because the 1992 Regulations require some form of single-sex provision, and in other contexts because failing to make single-sex provision could give rise an indirect sex discrimination claim.

Service providers

- There is no requirement for service providers to provide toilets on a single-sex basis, but they can choose to do so if it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

- Choosing not to provide any single-sex toilets might constitute indirect sex discrimination against women.

Single-sex (under the EqA) means biologically single-sex. If a service provider’s policy is to allow trans women to use the women’s toilets, those toilets are not single-sex, and:

the consequence of that is that a (biological) woman might be able to bring a claim for indirect sex discrimination against the service provider;

but the consequence is not that all biological men would also be entitled to use the women’s toilet. A (cis) man could bring a direct discrimination claim on that basis, but the question would be whether requiring him to use the men’s toilets rather than the women’s constituted “less favourable treatment”. There is a strong argument that – provided the toilets were materially similar – it would constitute “different but not less favourable treatment”. On a similar basis, a trans-inclusive women’s toilet could potentially justify excluding (cis) men on the basis that the limited provision was a “positive action” (benefitting cis and trans women) under s158 of the EqA; and the trans-inclusive toilets could still properly be labelled as “women’s” and “men’s” toilets.

- This finding was contrary to the EHRC’s interim update, which said that allowing trans women to use a women’s toilet meant that (cis) men would also be allowed to use it – but the Court held that the EHRC’s analysis was not “necessarily” wrong in all cases, and so its approach did not give rise to legal error.

- Allowing women to bring in their male children, or allowing access to male cleaners, would not compromise a facility’s single-sex status.

- If a service provider only offers toilets in the form of individual lockable rooms, it would be making adequate provision, and would not be discriminating against anyone.

- Providing only (biologically) single-sex facilities, and making no additional provision (in the form of trans-inclusive men’s and women’s toilets, mixed facilities, or individual lockable rooms) might well constitute discrimination against trans people. The EqA provides that the provision of single-sex toilets by a service provider will not constitute discrimination on the grounds of gender reassignment as long as it is a “proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim”, [4] and the Court held that the proportionality requirement “tends against a situation” where single-sex provision requires trans people to use inappropriate toilets, or no toilets at all.

- As above, requiring trans people to use unisex or individual lockable toilets (instead of single-sex facilities) is not likely to be discriminatory.

- A provider who only had space for two cubicle-style toilets – with no ability to introduce additional facilities – would accordingly risk discriminating against biological women if they operated both toilets on a trans-inclusive basis. But they would risk discriminating against trans people if they operated both toilets on a biologically single-sex basis, and made no additional provision for trans people. In many cases difficult judgement calls are likely to be required.

Status of the judgment

As a High Court judgment, the decision is binding on the lower courts and tribunals, which is where most discrimination challenges will be heard. Unless and until it is successfully appealed or overruled by a higher court, it should be treated as the most authoritative statement of the law in this area. It takes precedence over the recent decisions issued by the Employment Tribunal, for example, which are not binding.

The judgment is not intended as comprehensive guidance, and leaves gaps that the EHRC’s updated Services Code (which is still with the Minister for Women and Equalities to approve) will presumably seek to fill in due course.

It is clear that cases will continue to turn on their own facts; employers and service providers will have to think carefully about what the law requires in their particular circumstances, and where the balance of risk lies.

https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/governance/314-governance-a-risk-articles/99799-the-high-court-on-the-ehrc-s-interim-update

The High Court on the EHRC’s “interim update”

https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/governance/314-governance-a-risk-articles/99799-the-high-court-on-the-ehrc-s-interim-update

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2026 02:21

The Equality Act applies to both service providers and workplaces. The GLP lost their legal challenge to the EHRC guidance on all counts.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2026 02:20

MaIeficent · 15/03/2026 01:21

I notice that they seem to have rolled back a bit on the ruling and it now allows venues to let men use the ladies facilties. The law only applies to workplaces now I believe.

However, I don't think the trans lobby have really thought this through. If they did somehow manage to get something like self ID pushed through against the wishes of the majority of women (not entirely unfeasible given what we've seen from some parties) the fact remains that we outnumber by a enormous margin. And most of us have partners/husbands who would take our side.

If it came to it, any party that let this happen could easily be voted out and it made clear that the same would happen to any other party attempting such fuckery. I doubt any would be so brave at that point. However, it hasn't impacted most women enough for them to really be too worried yet.

No, that’s the GLP’s misinformation.

DameAlis · 15/03/2026 01:31

MaIeficent · 14/03/2026 12:07

Posters have replied and asked me to provide examples of situations where Self ID has actually lead to an increase in sexual assault. I just said that's not the point, that the absence of bad things happening thus far isn't a logical reason to take on risk. That playing Russian Roulette isn't safe just because the previous ten players didn't get their brains blown out.

Post is sitting at a nice fat -20 karma but hasn't been removed this time. 🤣

See also "Chesterton's Fence"

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 15/03/2026 01:25

MaIeficent · 15/03/2026 01:21

I notice that they seem to have rolled back a bit on the ruling and it now allows venues to let men use the ladies facilties. The law only applies to workplaces now I believe.

However, I don't think the trans lobby have really thought this through. If they did somehow manage to get something like self ID pushed through against the wishes of the majority of women (not entirely unfeasible given what we've seen from some parties) the fact remains that we outnumber by a enormous margin. And most of us have partners/husbands who would take our side.

If it came to it, any party that let this happen could easily be voted out and it made clear that the same would happen to any other party attempting such fuckery. I doubt any would be so brave at that point. However, it hasn't impacted most women enough for them to really be too worried yet.

I notice that they seem to have rolled back a bit on the ruling and it now allows venues to let men use the ladies facilties. The law only applies to workplaces now I believe.

Where did you read that please?

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