Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) removed from IWD event by police

What is a problem is that that taints all of MN and, ironically, makes people less likely to support women's rights.

Stop talking women! Stop voicing your opinions loudly! People won't like you if you do!

What is the relevance of an employment policy issue to do with women being removed from an International Women's Day event for asking questions?

It is an employment policy issue and what is the reason is someone referring to a person as being 'morbidly obese'? Is there a specific reason that person is referring to the person as being morbidly obese?

You are trying to use an irrelevant scenario on a thread about women being removed for asking questions of organisational representatives at an International Women's Day event.

Loaded framing, so let's fix your question together before we answer:

Do you believe that women should have exclusive provisions that exclude men?
Yes, obviously.

Do you believe that it is transphobic to want women to have those provisions?
No, obviously.

Okay, I'll play along. Examples of your loaded statements:

"when do you think MN started to be captured by anti-trans ideology"
"So if MN is an organisation that simply swings in whatever direction the wind is blowing, is that why it allows increasingly aggressive and divisive ideologies to flourish on its boards"
"MN is [...] going along with the general rise of the political right-wing"
"very vocal sections of this board are aggressively anti-trans and anti-Green"

Does that help?

Are you new here? Because we really do not care what "reputation" MN has a across the internet!! 😂It's not school!

And the fact you quoted Jezebel as a meaningful source rather proves that you are out of touch.

Ive always been a Terf but now bigot and transphobe are now badges of honour and not slurs that could get you hounded out of the NHS or whatever company were captured by Stonewall you worked for - God it’s so liberating but actually hilarious looking back at how politicians and MSM and sports etc were so captured by this utter utter nonsense! And now we still have work to do as highlighted by kJK on IWD.

Are you not able to answer the question?

Getting back to this question.

Do you believe that female people should have single sex provisions that exclude all male people? Do you believe that it is transphobic to want female people to have those female single sex provisions?

Again, you are attempting to make two asymmetrical scenarios symmetrical. Your scenario has nothing to do with KJK being removed from this event.

What point are you trying to make in relation to KJK being removed from this event?

I am not male.

And I would ask what is the problem with me being German, but since you also used the term 'Yanks' it is pretty clear your attitude to anyone who is not British is unlikely to be a nice one.

Edited to add: which, right on topic, only highlights the very MN swing to the right that I was talking about earlier!

There's a lot you don't see or, rather, a lot you misunderstand.

Please provide specific, provable, examples of my statement - the one you quoted - being wrong.

I referenced a Jezebel article earlier that called MN "a toxic breeding ground for transphobia" and they are far from alone. That MN has a reputation across the internet is simply a reaction by reasonable people to the unreasonableness of many - not all at all, just many - posters here who are disproportionately noisy in their aggressive stance.
What is a problem is that that taints all of MN and, ironically, makes people less likely to support women's rights.

He is indeed a male person but by way of variety is a German instead of the usual Yanks or Aussies who come plopping.

Oh... I see. I must have missed quite a few threads.

I can argue with that point actually.

If by 'all of us', you mean that you believe that some male people are 'women', then no, I don't agree with that premise. Are you a male person who describes themselves as a woman? Is that what you mean by 'us'?

Why do trans identifying males like you need a space without men? You are men.

More loaded framing.

Do you think we can't see it?

How do you say "loaded framing" in your country?

All women - all of us - have a right to spaces without men. I don't think even you could argue with that point...

But why is it wrong to say "you need to speak to my colleague Karen....she's the morbidly obese one in the corner."? We're told hurty feelz are apparently not a factor when discussing biological reality.

At the start of the 2020s, subscribers would be warned by MN if they dared say ‘but people can’t change sex, so how can men become women?’

Really? I did not know that. So if MN is an organisation that simply swings in whatever direction the wind is blowing, is that why it allows increasingly aggressive and divisive ideologies to flourish on its boards; it's simply tooting on the same horn, as we say in my country, and going along with the general rise of the political right-wing?

Thank you, that really does help to explain a lot of what we're seeing here.

"On the British parenting website Mumsnet, which has become a toxic breeding ground for transphobia"

So, @MissScarletInTheBedroom , do you believe that female people should have single sex provisions that exclude all male people? Do you believe that it is transphobic to want female people to have those female single sex provisions?

^ Let's hope it's not in Dublin Zoo!

This is a picture of a sealion for anyone who doesn't immediately recognise one.

You are very fond of this loaded framing.

Have you ever heard of "when did you stop beating your wife"? Look it up.

It is not the way to get people to engage with you if you genuinely want that. I suspect you don't.

Yes what on earth did she do that 'wasn't polite'?! Surely there must be footage of this display of impoliteness?

From what I saw she was calm, concise, not remotely sarky as I'd have been. In fact the only impolite thing was calling the police for a woman daring to ask about the provision of women only spaces. The police! What an absolute waste of resources.

Youve referred to discussions on mumsnet (incorrectly) as transphobic. You have declined to offer a definition of what you consider transphobia to mean. Here on mumsnet we don’t consider the discussion of biological fact and the incursion into Womens human rights by trans identifying males as transphobic. The law agrees with our opinions and increasingly your definition of transphobia (which I assume requires adherence to counter factual claims that humans can be born in the wrong body or can change sex) is in decline. Your interaction with this thread is evidence free and unlikely to convince anyone that your arguments/points have any merit. It seems intended to disrupt a discussion by mumsnet test who are discussing opinions held by the vast majority of the UK population and which are supported in law. Your claim this is transphobia is therefore inaccurate and evoking this “phobia” attempts to shut down our completely legal and reasonable discussion of provable facts. If your intention were not to suppress freedom of speech you wouldn’t be interacting with this thread with (largely) irrelevancies HTH

Are you aware that people (like me) end up reading these threads and (nonsensical) posts like yours end up peaking them? Thank you for your service

Oh dear - gasp - not polite?!

I suppose she must have staged a piss protest? Smash windows? Screamed & jeered at participants? Physically threatened them? What none of those? Just tricky questions… how ghastly