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The Oxford English Dictionary defines a woman as “an adult human female”

obviously an adult human female id designed to produce large gamete (as opposed to sperm) which is a biological fact.

www.oed.com/dictionary/woman_n?tl=true

An adult female human being.

And so I then extended my interpretation of 'female' to make sure it was clear. The dictionary refers to 'female' being that of the 'female sex'.

I don't believe that it is 'only' me who defines woman this way. I also believe that the Supreme Court of the UK has described the meaning of the word 'woman' this way as per the EA2010.

Oh, Scarlet... if you applied the 'not relevant' self censor to more of your lengthy and excessively verbose postings, we'd all arrive where we need to be a lot quicker.

Obviously that the dictionaries, at least all the ones I can find, don't define a woman that way. Only you do.

Are you in possession of a dictionary the rest of us don't have?

Please do engage with this point.

Why is there a sports team called the 'Yankees' if it is term of insult?

Again, incorrect.

MN swing to the right is much more insidious and much more far reaching that a few simple word uses. Again, you are making assumptions.

Me not being familiar with the term 'Aussies' isn't quite the big issue you seem to think it is. 😉

Telling of what?

It really is quite amusing!

You're the one that waded in using these words as proof that MN was swinging to the right (!)

Now you're admitting you don't understand the usage or the nuances?

#letthemspeak

Oh really? So you don't consider that 'woman' is the unique word that means a mature person with a body formed around the production of large gametes, even if their body does not produce those large gametes?

That is one of the definitions of woman, yes. My German to English dictionary doesn't mention gametes at all. Nor does the online English dictionary definition. Quite telling, isn't it?

"Yanks" is a term that British people use to refer to Americans, it's years old and it's not insulting, in fact it's more affectionate if anything. I note you didn't pick up on the term "Aussies".

I always heard that 'Yanks' was an insult. Is it not?

As for 'Aussies', I didn't mention it because I know nothing about that word or the intention behind it. Obviously it refers to Australians, but I've no idea if it's affectionate or an insult or anything in between. So, not mentioned as might not be relevant.

Oh really? So you don't consider that 'woman' is the unique word that means a mature person with a body formed around the production of large gametes, even if their body does not produce those large gametes?

Language really is important, isn't it? To avoid confusion such as this.

More misunderstandings.

The poster did not say there was a problem you being German, she said you are German, i.e. stating a fact, neutrally.

"Yanks" is a term that British people use to refer to Americans, it's years old and it's not insulting, in fact it's more affectionate if anything. I note you didn't pick up on the term "Aussies".

You portray these two things as "highlights the very MN swing to the right".
Nice try.
But wrong.
You see what you want to see.

Again, incorrect.

You made a false statement in which you clumsily invented an intention of mine which never existed. I called you out on it. The end.

But you are right to highlight the reporting of transphobic posts; thank you.

Oh. I see. You cannot answer the direct and very clear question and add Ad Hominem attacks to go with it.

I recommend though, that you report any transphobia that you see on MN. It will get deleted by the team if they, as people trained in moderation, believe it fits the description of transphobia. If it doesn't get deleted, then perhaps you have accept that you might have a personal definition of transphobia that is not considered reasonable.

‘Obviously’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

What was it you said on the other thread about ad hominem attacks? 🤔

Oh yes, found it: "Have you considered discussing the message, rather than unthinkingly attack the messenger? I think it might help promote a healthier discussion."

"You believe that female people should be able to exclude all male people from female single sex provisions, including sport."

That statement is not correct. You inferred it because it's either what you think was said due to natural dimness or are trying to claim what was said due to natural duplicity.

I got it a long time ago. It's clear why you're here, and it's not to support women's rights.

The problem with doing what you're doing is that that taints all trans people and, ironically, makes people less likely to support trans rights.

#letthemspeak

No. The framing is just fine thank you and it is entirely relevant to the topic of this thread.

Anyway, great. You believe that female people should be able to exclude all male people from female single sex provisions, including sport.

Great that we got that sorted.

Therefore, would you now like to report any transphobia that you find on MN since we are apparently a toxic site for it. The moderation team are professional so please, report away.

Do you believe it's wrong to ask providers of womens services whether their services are for women only?
No, obviously.

"Loaded framing, so let's fix your question together before we answer"

Now that is really funny!
It's the quickest bit of appropriation I've ever seen!

Brilliant! Now you're getting it! 😂😊

KJK's point is presumably the biological reality that TW aren't women. She no doubt feels we shouldn't have to deny biological reality. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Pretending a morbidly obese person isn't morbidly obese is the same. I won't let such a person get into my expensive car with £2000 sports seats. Many on here think that's outrageous as has been proven by many previous threads about overweight friends breaking expensive furniture etc because nobody wants to mention the elephant in the room (pardon the pun).

Do you believe it's wrong to ask providers of womens services whether their services are female only?