Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) removed from IWD event by police

Do you define 'woman' in accordance with the Supreme Court? Or is this TWAW in action? If so, then I think I'll use the legal definition from the top court in this country.

I don't think it has been for two reasons.

1. Gender critical is a protected belief and it's not the same as transphobia.
2. The Supreme Court has made it clear that sex means biological sex, not what someone feels they are. Again, this is not the same as transphobia.

There are many, many places where you can discuss your views and receive praise, but that's not what you want, is it? You want to tell us how stupid we are, and you may have a point because we're discussing your views with you.

Here is an interview that KJK did with the Nottingham centre.

I wonder what was disrespectful and disruptive about this one.

(Just to add, through the guilt by association accusations that we have seen on this thread and historically, does this make this CEO a feminist who believes that female people should have single sex provisions?? I mean, that is the level that this thread has sunk to, just like so many others before it.)

They don't believe the stuff they say. Otherwise they wouldn't have to keep saying it.

Some men just like coming on here and winding women up.

Each of them completely unaware that they are just the latest in a long, relentlessly tedious line of other men doing exactly the same. What a bloody past time, seriously.

I've said it before, the only fricken reason we live in a patriarchy is the brawn, because it sure as shit isn't the brain.

We're discussing KJK being escorted out of a meeting by police for the 'crime' of asking if they offer single sex provision. Not quite the same, is it?

It doesn't bother me if she has done, because I believe in freedom of speech rather than freedom to hold an opinion that's been approved by a tiny but vocal minority.

It does bother me when insults like ethno-nationalist slop get thrown around. I respect people from other cultures, and I see no reason why that should exclude people who feel that their country is being changed over to suit a small but very loud and poorly informed minority.

If you can have the Notting Hill Carnival and Gay Pride Marches, then we should be allowed to have Morris Dancing with guising (where they cover their faces with soot to disguise themselves from the landlords they were insulting.) IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH SLAVERY. NOTHING AT ALL. But it insulted a group of people, and no one had the guts to tell them 'don't go and watch it then'

Looking at dictionaries is not a good way to find a definition of a word. English dictionaries describe common usage. Dictionaries don't define the meaning of words. If enough people use a word to mean a particular thing that meaning will be sooner or later be recorded in dictionaries. There is no Academy of English to officially tell anyone how to use a word or what it means.

However many threads I see like this one, I still can't quite believe that these posters genuinely believe the Alice in Wonderland (or Kafka-esque? Or Orwellian?) stuff they say. Considering the direction of travel up to now, I think Scarlet will go down the 'it's just like homophobia' route.

I believe even the Macquarie Dictionary lists the meaning of the word 'woman' as being a person of the female sex.

I grew up with a Funk & Wagnalls which was the cheapest mum could get for me for school, it fell apart. However, I have a copy of 'The Modern Standard English Dictionary and World Atlas'. It was published in London, but it is Australian. There is no year though... there is a pic of Princesses Elizabeth & Margaret with their parents at the coronation though (as by way of dating it). I believe it was my father's and it is in very delicate condition having been subject to heat and humidity for so long.

The meaning of the word 'woman' is:

Woman: the adult female of the human race; women collectively.

Just to remind everyone, the solid position in law in the UK - since 1970 and affirmed many times since - is that a person's sex is defined by their chromosomes, genitalia and gonads, as they exist at birth, where those three things are congruent (which they are in the vast vast majority of people). In cases where they are not congruent the courts will make a decision based on medical advice.

Well kjk has a product line with the dictionary definition of woman as 'adult human female' which shouldn't be contentious, but she was accused of a hate crime when using it.
Apparently some people think that being a woman is some sort of feeling, costume, or set of stereotypical behaviours, which I consider a little more contentious. The confusion went all the way up to the supreme court, who said that when the UK equality act referred to women, that it was referring to biology, which brings us to gametes.
So here we are, having to drill down into the definition of words which everybody already had an understanding of, or so we thought.
Perhaps that's the same for phobia and right-wing.
Sadly UK statutes were interpreted for centuries on the premise that words usually had a commonly accepted literal meaning. Interesting times.

I am female, I am not a robot, therefore I am a biological female.

I'll start.

Sex isn't binary, all the biologist's say so. They done reports and everything that says biology is more complicated than that male/female.

I mean, maybe we should place bets on what gets mentioned?

I vote for 'biological essentialism'. I mean, the 'whatabouts' will be too easy to guess.

Me

Anyone waiting for the usual attempts to deconstruct the meaning of the phrase 'female human' with the usual trope?

Since you believe it's not wrong to ask these questions, what is it that you think KJK did wrong when she asked these questions?

That's twice he's been corrected on the German language, so not German then? 🤔 I think Brighton is closer. 😂

Talking about Germany. There was a stage invasion at an event with Alice Schwarzer too:
https://www.spiegel.de/kultur/schauspielhaus-hamburg-mehrere-personen-stuermen-buehne-waehrend-lesung-mit-alice-schwarzer-a-c2bb9a4c-0df7-4e5b-8c2b-3fc9d807e0a4

Thanks Ig!

Laut Duden:

Frau: erwachsene Person weiblichen Geschlechts

Geschlecht: (von Lebewesen, besonders dem Menschen und höheren Tieren) Gesamtheit der Merkmale, wonach ein Lebewesen in Bezug auf seine Funktion bei der Fortpflanzung meist eindeutig als biologisch männlich oder weiblich bestimmt werden kann

So the definition in what is basically the German equivalent of the Oxford English Dictionary clearly references reproductive functions.

Just thought I would share this classic.

C'mon Aussie!

As I said, you see what you want to see. There seems to be a bit of a comprehension gap.

You seem to forget your own statements literally from one minute to the next. They are there in black and white for all to read.