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FlirtsWithRhinos · 06/03/2026 19:25

MarieDeGournay · 06/03/2026 14:02

“They’re most likely to get beaten up. They’re the ones who are most likely to have prejudice against them. We should not be indulging in anything that marginalises them even more.”

This is just wrong, as in factually incorrect, as in easily fact-checked, as in an ex-fact, as in pining for the fjords....etc...

Really, how does anybody who says things like this get away with it? In particular, how does anybody who is in a position of responsibility get away with it? [rhetorical question, don't waste any energy answering🙄]

Plus, the huge leap between

“They’re most likely to get beaten up. They’re the ones who are most likely to have prejudice against them. We should not be indulging in anything that marginalises them even more.”

To concluding the only possible way to protect and support trans women is to remove any right or expectation of sex-based protection and support from female people.

ScrollingLeaves · 06/03/2026 19:17

ScrollingLeaves · 06/03/2026 18:58

We…………indulging!

Look at this comparing trans suffering to refugees’ and Palestinians’:

'My rights as a trans person, and therefore as a marginalised person, are linked directly to the rights of refugees who are facing horrific prejudice and violence, and to people in Palestine who continue to live through genocide.

'The marginalised are so often political tools with which wars are waged to keep the powerful powerful.

But we aren't pawns - we're people full of love and life and talent and brilliance and minds and hearts, who deserve every right and every protection and deserve peace.

Oh fuck OFF, Emily Thornberry
Oh fuck OFF, Emily Thornberry
Arran2024 · 06/03/2026 19:07

I believe that people with learning disabilities are the most vulnerable actually

ScrollingLeaves · 06/03/2026 18:58

MarieDeGournay · 06/03/2026 14:02

“They’re most likely to get beaten up. They’re the ones who are most likely to have prejudice against them. We should not be indulging in anything that marginalises them even more.”

This is just wrong, as in factually incorrect, as in easily fact-checked, as in an ex-fact, as in pining for the fjords....etc...

Really, how does anybody who says things like this get away with it? In particular, how does anybody who is in a position of responsibility get away with it? [rhetorical question, don't waste any energy answering🙄]

We…………indulging!

FigRollsAlly · 06/03/2026 18:45

She was talking on TV about trans people being the most marginalised and vulnerable only a few weeks ago. Probably on Laura K’s show when Hilary Cass was on.

MarieDeGournay · 06/03/2026 18:21

Ithinkofawittyusernamethenforgetit · 06/03/2026 17:40

Why do you find her tiresome and smug? She is the MP for my neighbouring constituency and she does a great job. There is a lot to balance in a constituency such as hers - she spoke so well and movingly at the Chanukah event on Islington Green, only hours after the attack on Bondi Beach and the week of the murder of a 15-year-old near H&I station. I find her genuine and dedicated, I don’t understand this nonsense about her trying to sound posh?

That's interesting - what a pity she's not your MP so you could ask her directly why on earth she's prepared to go public with obvious untruths.

It's interesting that she can take a laudably humane, sensible and fact-based approach to other issues, but her brain apparently gets switched off when it comes to trans issues.
Her brain gets switched off - or possibly her honesty, if she actually knows that what she says about the trans community is not true.

Either way, it isn't consistent with what we expect in a public representative is it?

It is also noteworthy that the trans issue causes someone that you have reason to believe is 'genuine and dedicated' to go on record with statements that she either should, or does, know are not true.

SirChenjins · 06/03/2026 18:15

She always reminds me of Kirstie Allsopp - utterly lacking in critical thinking skills, but truly believes the nonsense she comes out with because it's all just about being kind. Women just really shouldn't complain so much and then we wouldn't be in the mess we're in.

Swamphag · 06/03/2026 18:08

MsGreying · 06/03/2026 17:50

You can't trust her with anything once you know she doesn't believe in basic biology.

Yep, if you'll lie about this, you'll lie about anything

Brefugee · 06/03/2026 18:08

Tallisker · 06/03/2026 16:58

Ha ha ha I just read Brefugee’s comment without reading her user name and knew instantly who had posted 🤣

oops, outed ;)

WhereYouLeftIt · 06/03/2026 18:07

MsGreying · 06/03/2026 17:50

You can't trust her with anything once you know she doesn't believe in basic biology.

She probably does believe in biology, but with a transman cousin she had the choice between soothing her cousin's feelings and sticking with the truth. When trans was all the rage she made the conscious choice to soothe her cousin; now that it is the beginning of the end she has painted herself into a corner and is very unlikely to be able to exit it.

Regardless, there really are only two possibilities:

  1. She's a believer and not to be trusted
  2. She's willing to lie for personal and/or political reasons, and therefore not to be trusted
Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/03/2026 18:04

MsGreying · 06/03/2026 17:50

You can't trust her with anything once you know she doesn't believe in basic biology.

This basically

she's either thick (which I don't believe) because she thinks you can change sex or she's knows you can't but she's prepared to lie about it because beeee kiiiind/trans relative effect

MsGreying · 06/03/2026 17:50

You can't trust her with anything once you know she doesn't believe in basic biology.

TFImBackIn · 06/03/2026 17:42

She's such a disappointment. I remember just before I realised what she believed, thinking that she'd be really sensible about this. It was a real shock to hear her - actually though I don't believe for a minute that she really believes it. I don't think any of them do.

Ithinkofawittyusernamethenforgetit · 06/03/2026 17:40

UtopiaPlanitia · 06/03/2026 14:52

I find this woman so tiresome, I can't bear to watch her being interviewed because she's smug and it gets on my nerves.

I worry that women like her, and Caroline Noakes (another smug person I can't bear), who don't have to worry about encountering the negative effects from policies that prioritise the wants of disordered men over the safety of women/girls are determined to push the 'be kind' nonsense in parliament. She also comes across as the type of person who's resistant to evidence, she seems to prefer feelings/vibes in her approach to policy.

Why do you find her tiresome and smug? She is the MP for my neighbouring constituency and she does a great job. There is a lot to balance in a constituency such as hers - she spoke so well and movingly at the Chanukah event on Islington Green, only hours after the attack on Bondi Beach and the week of the murder of a 15-year-old near H&I station. I find her genuine and dedicated, I don’t understand this nonsense about her trying to sound posh?

lcakethereforeIam · 06/03/2026 17:36

Partly because I came across this in the Telegraph (and wanted to put it somewhere) and partly as a riposte to the misinformation peddled by Thornberry, Connie Shaw recently gave a talk at UCL

https://archive.ph/JDH3d

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/03/06/how-i-stood-up-to-pro-trans-bullies-who-tried-to-silence/

She needed bodyguards and there was a Police presence to maintain order. There was a demonstration and posters put up complaining about her presence. GC students were able to use the event to meet likeminded others, having previously been successfully frightened into silence.

Kudos to UCL for hosting the event and not caving into the crybullies.

PriOn1 · 06/03/2026 17:30

I should imagine that sleazily dressed men who invade women’s toilets in bars, where the denizens are not fully on board, are perhaps more likely to be harassed (including by angry husbands/partners/boyfriends) than other groups.

Ithinkofawittyusernamethenforgetit · 06/03/2026 17:29

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 06/03/2026 16:43

She's literally looking down her nose at us in that picture - what a disgusting woman sat on a throne of luxury beliefs. What a traitor.

She’s just laughing with her head tilted a little back.

WallaceinAnderland · 06/03/2026 17:18

What is she actually saying though?

So what if they're vulnerable? So are women, children, people with disabilities, etc. We all have safety needs. She's not proposing anything different, she's just performing sadface.

What does P-T-D have to say about it on Reddit - 'She's a clown imo.' 😂

Sammidge · 06/03/2026 17:17

She's so embarrassing.

singthing · 06/03/2026 17:13

Our old friend Sam Smith was piping up again out of nowhere the other week, so he's probably got an album out soon.

What's the equivalent for Emily? Run at leadership perhaps? Another new Labour party spin-off?

Violetparis · 06/03/2026 17:02

Even if men who think they are women are the most vulnerable in society and get beaten up the most (I don't believe they are), I am still not going to lie or pretend they are women.

Tallisker · 06/03/2026 16:58

Ha ha ha I just read Brefugee’s comment without reading her user name and knew instantly who had posted 🤣

Brefugee · 06/03/2026 16:49

every time we get the "they are the most likely to get beaten up" we need to reply with "more than 2 women a week are killed"

Every time.

Gosh she makes my slapping hand twitchy

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 06/03/2026 16:43

She's literally looking down her nose at us in that picture - what a disgusting woman sat on a throne of luxury beliefs. What a traitor.

teawamutu · 06/03/2026 16:22

UtopiaPlanitia · 06/03/2026 15:21

Thornberry definitely reminds me of this clip from a Rogan interview, she falls for the sob stories over the facts:

https://x.com/WokeNoLonger/status/2029678700367909236?s=20

For those not on TwiX:
https://nitter.net/WokeNoLonger/status/2029678700367909236#m

Great clip. The difference being, I can't see EC ever admitting she was wrong or that Rogan had a point.

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