So … female athletes are gonna have to pay to prove their female. Surely this is sex discrimination given males don’t have to?

women and men should not be competing against each other in any event
the vast majority of the open or mixed sex sport categories are events that have been deliberately engineered to favour the physiology of men

for example, if an open sea swimming race event is long distance as in 20 miles or over, the majority of women will have faster times than the majority of men.
but how long are open sea swimming races usually? 10k which is only 6 miles!! (And that’s the Olympics length)

It’s not that we are always weaker and men are stronger or faster, it is that the majority of events are designed by men and for men to match their strengths

only by all sports being kept separated can we design women’s events to match our strengths instead of forcing elite women athletes into open/mixed sex categories where the events are literally rigged to favour men.

so yes all athletes should be tested so that men and women are kept separate in sports. It’s the only way to get more female world record holders and more girls to take up sports- to achieve gender parity in sports.

So I take it you are in favour of the continuation of mixed or open categories of sport where women compete directly against men?

You don’t think women should only have to compete against other women? And men against other men?

You are wrong by the way. Women outperform men in endurance based sports.
free diving- men’s static apnea record 7 minutes, women 9 minutes

Ultraruns- https://bornonthetrail.substack.com/p/are-women-better-ultra-runners-than-men

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240731-the-sports-where-women-outperform-men

This is the bullshit of how the Olympics allowed themselves to be hoodwinked. There was some radiologist who was a transwoman and did some low quality research to demonstrate that at whatever age he was he had no difference to female athletes 20 years younger in long-distance running.

There is no sport in which the majority of females outperform the majority of males. The sports that females could be argued to "outperform" are the ones in which flexibility is the main component being assessed i.e. rythmic gymnastics and synchronised swimming. These sports are still separated by sex because women could potentially have an advantage in the current scoring system.

I don’t see the problem.

Female sports could be protected with these tests. All that needs to happen is that the country the female comes from foots the bill
for that female’s test.

It’s pretty obvious why males in male sports don’t need it. It’s because males are faster, stronger etc and so females aren’t going go make it into the Olympics (or whatever competition it is) in the male category. It isn’t relevant to male sports - so the thread title is really odd.

Yes women do outperform men in a few sports.

You'd think. It doesn't sound complicated.

Even better. If Sharon Davis wants to gather the information of all people that will sponsor a test and match with an current athlete so they don't disrupt their training etc...I will be a sponsor.

No they don’t.

I believe absolutely the sporting authorities should pay. But if not, I will happily sponsor the test for a female athlete.

As it is only a test you need to take once in your lifetime, surely one of the sporting bodies can pay. A very small cost compared to the cost of equipment, coaching, flights to events etc.

I’d rather do a petition that it fall under UKAD as an anti-doping test funded by the government.

Gross... but predictable.

Can we bridge the gap with a GoFundMe for all current and upcoming female athletes.

Anyone found to have a Y chromosome picks up the tab. Sorted!

But it's not trans activists who are demanding the tests. It's the sports organisations, who want the tests because they do think that men have an advantage over women. The idea of requiring thousands of men to take and pay for a completely unnecessary test just so that they can share women's pain is ridiculous. By all means, put pressure on the sports federations to pay for the cost of the women's tests out of the subscriptions of all their members, though.

I’d gladly contribute to a fund to support the female athletes to get their test. 👍

Their logic is that TW have no advantage. Therefore by their logic, just as many women could sneak into male.sports and win.

Expensive tests for everyone!

Especially as women typically get less in sponsorship and support.

I also care if women sneak into men’s categories where women have the advantage due to their sex. Puce green said:
Someone competing in the male category doesn't need a test. No one cares if a very rare woman sneaks her way into that category.

I care. The categories should be kept separate with no exceptions.
Every athlete should be tested.

So what? No-one has a problem with open categories in certain sports when appropriate. That has nothing to do with the rights of women to have their own competitions.

And those of us who have lost ours to cancer…

I don’t agree, women outperform men in a few sports, usually the ultra-endurance ones. Eg, the ultraruns and ultra cycling, swimming oceans, long distance sailing races, all shooting of all weapons types, equestrian events, gymnastics, free diving, rock climbing,

dont forget folks the likes of IW have grown a cervix so genitalia inspection would not work.

Literally no one on this thread has said that it's a problem because of intrusiveness

But from your first line, I'm wondering if you know anything about this at all....

Isn’t it just a cheek swab?
No need to look at the cervix to get a DNA sample. And DNA gives a clearer picture in case of DSDs.

Test is fine but women shouldn’t have to pay for it.

Someone competing in the male category doesn't need a test. No one cares if a very rare woman sneaks her way into that category. So no, men shouldn't be required to take a completely unnecessary test, or to pay for one. I don't see why the government should pay either. You might argue that the sports concerned should pay, which would then mean the cost being shared with male sportspeople.

This is disgraceful. It's not the money (although it's a not insignificant amount), it's the principle. Tests for everyone, not just women, is so obviously the way to go.