Men who affirm TW

The definition of women always just includes them.

Its the idea that genuine trans are the real victims. If the bad lads didnt pretend to be women, the Wents of the world could without any issues. Even when they pretend to see women point of view, they are the ones who suffer the most.

That line doesn't work here anymore, but lots of men do believe it.

Went is a strong proponent of the "but my female friend(s) insisted that I accompany them into the changing rooms/toilets. I had their permission, so why are you making a problem out of this?".

Went used to say he would be happy to use third spaces but has since become less accommodating in his public statements. Which is what happens with all the 'reasonable' TW in public life - they all want to seem accommodating of women's requests to remove males from claiming to be women, but only as long as they're allowed a carve out for themselves to keep entering women's spaces and claiming to be a sort of woman..

We only exist in relation to them, so a man who rejects manhood is cast into the unmen - us.

The urge to transition very often comes bundled with humilation fetishes - "forced to femme", "sissyfication", etc. The ultimate humiliation, the apex of degradation for a man is to be seen as a woman. Don't underestimate the prevalence of the "normal" male view that for a man to present as if he were a woman, he is necessarily abasing himself.

Once a man has thus abased himself in their eyes, he is not longer fit for male spaces, by unmanning himself he becomes an embarassment, if not an affront, to "normal" men. Consequently, those whose self-conception is of "progressivism" have to over-compensate to hide their unease with such men &, because their "progressivism" is vastly regressive, they have never troubled themselves to really consider women beyond perhaps the cheery "progressive" belief that prostitution jolly well ought to be legal.

They may feel pity for these self-abased men, they may feel namelessly uncomfortable with them in male spaces, in either case an unmanned man (even if only sartorially) has abandoned "normal" manhood & is therefore understood to be our problem to deal with, if only because it is our "normal" role to be nurturing, caring, the people who have to deal with everyone else's shit.

I think it means they don’t have to make decisions out loud or come down on one side of the fence.

After all, if TIM are kept busy invading womens spaces, other men don’t have to decide what their response is to TIM in mens spaces.

I think the long term strategy is to convince both too down and bottom up.

On one hand we have the likes of Morton (referred to by Beev2) disclosing that if policymakers were convinced that some male people should be in female prisons then the rest will fall into place. Then you have the likes of Went (Katy? I cannot remember) who appears ‘reasonable’ and is friends with some of the UK’s most respected feminists who uses this reasonable position to gain any access to female single sex provisions they can while the top down action is still working its way through.

It worked for a time with the Olympics with Arne Ljungqvist where he got the policy changed for male people with DSDs to compete as female athletes, and then quickly convinced the committee to allow male people with certain criteria met.

Clucking bell, I've just read the letter about 'Gennys' posted in the comments below that charming video. Absolutely chilling, but the be kinders think we should have sympathy for these 'poor most vulnerable' oppressed one. 🙄

Ah, Della Aleksander (the first speaker in the big gilt collar, founder of GRAIL, Gender Research Association International Liaison).

Accurately described by Searchlight in 1995 as, "one of post-war Britain's best-known Moseleyites", a keen supporter of apartheid while living in S Africa pre-transition, he later palled around with David Duke when that creep was in Europe. DA was a down-the-line ethno-nationalist, a member of the League of St George & thought he could contact Hitler via séances.

A wingnutof the first water & a schoolteacher in Leeds. FGS.

Edited for dyslexia, some may remain

@Pingponghavoc yep I agree. It’s out of the Scottish Prisons tactic playbook as well as the mass scale impact of cognitive dissonance…saying she/her to be polite/kind but when applied to a criminal and having to refer to a woman being sent to a male prison it fucks with your head.

I think the 'compromise' of female enough in some setting, but not in others has come from TW themselves.

In part, to get a foot in the door - grab wins when they can get them and work on others later. And partly as individuals to appear reasonable. Usually giving up spaces they would never use - like sport or opportunities they are personally not interest in.

I think the SC ruling shook them because they realised the decision was taken out of their control.

Unless that person is fully aware that they are not a 'woman' and therefore why are they then claiming to be a woman?

I think most of them are fully aware they aren't women because they think they are better than women. They are using women as props.

Exactly this. The stance that a male can be treated as a woman for some purposes and excluded for others is both illogical and cruel.

These are the men we are told were accepted into or used the women toilets unnoticed.

Its like a monty python sketch.

I no longer believe that these men were bullied for being effeminate and therefore retreated into being a women. If that were true, we'd have far fewer men pretending to be women now, not more.

They are just wearing the fashions of the time, it doesnt mean they werent sexual motivated and just wanted to act like ladies who lunch. They are no different to any of the men now.

It is interesting to see them. In a way you can see how at that time they were probably effeminate gay men who were jeered at and told they were ‘sissies’ looked ‘just like a girl’ etc and in a way it might have been easier just to become somewhat disguised. This group seem almost Margaret Thatcher like, and as though they aspired to be ladies who go to the hairdresser every week and carry a handbag.

I thought this would be of interest on this thread:

https://x.com/Jonnywsbell/status/2030798915423887413?s=20
"1973: Transsexuals smugly declare: "we chose to be women, transsexualism is the tip of the iceberg, sex is fluid, and birth certs must change"..
2026: They played the long game and won, biology is erased, dissent is crushed and women's rights are gutted...mission accomplished..."

Link for those not on TwiX:
https://nitter.net/Jonnywsbell/status/2030798915423887413#m

Never underestimate the number of men who are turned on by cross-dressing or shemales.

I agree that we need to reinforce the fact that women have inalienable rights in our civic society.

However, I also think that we need to get our wider society to understand that they have fallen for the public relations messaging of a sexual fetish disguising itself as a human rights category.

These men are performing their fetish in public and that is unacceptable. I will die on the hill of fighting to demonstrate the degradation of women that our society is allowing to happen in plain view.

Pornography (and the resulting effect on male sexuality) is responsible for the breaking of a lot of boundaries in our society in recent decades and we need to reinstate those boundaries in order to ensure the safety and well-being of our fellow citizens both male and female.

I think it’s for the very simple reason that they see women as sort of defective men.

So males who aren’t quite up to the standard of being men — or who reject their male role because they aren’t strong enough to handle it, or who are too sex-obsessed to function normally — must obviously be women.

The majority of people do not support male people being in female single sex provisions.

There is a difference between people who say they are generally supportive of trans people and this then changes if specific questions are asked.

I wouldn’t trust any person who claims that the UK is the majority ‘pro trans’.

I would also not trust them if they said Australia was the majority ‘pro trans’ too. I would need to see the data collection questions and the breakdown of the data first.

PD is in Australia & I don't think is posting in good faith. They ignore the fact that in the UK (& I suspect even in Australia) the majority of the public does not believe TWAW.

Rules and laws work best if people follow them. They are not that effective if the majority of the public is pro-trans and believes TWAW so acts/votes that way. Winning over public opinion is crucial.

I'm quite shocked by that statement.

The majority of rapes are not prosecuted. A great many men, and even a fair few women, believe some rapes (such as martial rapes, drunken date rapes, prostitute rapes) should not even be illegal.

Should we get rid of the laws against rape?

I don't know, to me the argument you have made here is a stupid person's argument.

For one thing almost everyone cares about preserving life, those on the left who think otherwise tend to be very sheltered.
Then why would you "side" with anything a group claimed or wanted just because of a high suicide rate? You could be concerned about that, but the logic there is not evident.

Personally I think seeing everything through the lens of oppression hierarchies is also not a particularly intelligent approach.

Knowing that people can't change sex and advocating for women's rights is not an ideology.

GC feminists are not "ideologically captured"
It's quite telling that you think so actually.

I think it’s a bit much to imply that people who are gender critical don’t care about preserving life. Most people regardless of what their views are would hate the idea of anyone committing suicide . I certainly would and I do think trans people need mental health support. However access to women’s spaces at the expense of women’s safety and mental health is not the answer