Is it ok for my mum to join the WI?

That's a good point!

Maybe she hopes not to be under constant surveillance for wrong-think at the WI.

Back in the old days it's likely that no man would have been seen dead attending a WI meeting. They'd rather go down the pub or to the footie or one of a huge number of other almost-exclusively-male venues and talk with their mates.

It's only quite recently that the idea of women being allowed to meet together without male oversight of their behaviour has become unacceptable, and only to a subset of (very egocentric) males at that.

I was joking upthread about the Lego, but honestly, they're very like toddlers who cannot bear mummy to do anything without them being involved.

Theres nothing stopping these men organising an inclusive group offering similar activities. Im sure they would get a great deal of support.

But they would prefer the WI cease to exist than exist without them.

His Mum can join but his Dad cant.

Its easy to read too much into reddit threads, but there is an interesting dynamic going on there.

The sub is majority male, and as a result it does reflect male attitudes and expectations. Its full of men pissed off that they can't use womens spaces, groups and opportunities. The women are sympathetic and supportive, but rarely affected themselves. They problably don’t use mens spaces or dont have the same drive to do so.

I think threads like this one reflect this. The only role women have is to support the men. If the op is a women convinced she is a man, why wouldn't she behave like any other adult son, and be unconcerned about her mothers social life? She has to signal her worth to the trans community by showing she understand how upsetting it is for the men.

How many threads have been started by men on trans reddit, unhappy that their fathers attend male only groups, or that their fathers arent campaigning to allow women to use mens changing rooms?

Actually I agree with this ^ even though it's playing into stereotypes a bit (😄)

Whyyyy are they all forced to have the TRA stuff foisted on them?

Most members of the WI just want to go to a meeting for a pleasant few hours a month with their friends. It's a chance for women, and older members in particular, to meet up with others for a natter and an interesting activity in a non-confrontational setting. And that's fine.

Most branches really couldn’t care less either way on the matter as it’s a non issue, it’s jam making, flower arranging and slides from someone’s cruise holiday at our local branch (I’m not a member but I rent a hall to them and they send me their programme in hope of attracting someone under 70)

Can you do "We Will All Go Together When We Go" in the right order, though?

Now that Tom Lehrer is dead I know only one person who can reliably do that. I have never been able to. And as for The Elements, I don't think you are supposed to be able to.

I can recite nearly all the lyrics of 'The gas man cometh', though. Probably not in tune.

Dull, and boring; boring and dull. Do go away and play with your Lego or something, and leave the adults in peace to discuss what interests them rather than having to attend to you.

(Gawd, my children were more socially aware by the time they were five.)

Where did the OP ask whether their mother should be denounced? Can you quote that part please?

No the thread was "men are so bad and controlling". It had nothing to do with trans people.

Is this thread about a woman being bullied by her transidentifying offspring, or is it about HappyClapper100's views on the other people on the thread? If the former, it's what the OP was interested in debating and there is a conversation we could be having about that; if the latter, it's essentially rather dull.

"Leave 'im. 'E ain't wurf it." (Where does that come from? Corrie? EE? The Archers?)

Right. It doesnt make any sense, but well done.

Likely because the OP would like access to spaces designed for men given they identify as FTM. They want people (including themselves) to be seen as their chosen gender rather than biological sex.

Either way, it is a female saying this. Females, trans identifying and otherwise, are some of the most active supporters for trans rights. Far fewer males (trans identifying and otherwise) are very active in anything official for any cause. Even those which directly benefit them.

You know what the vast, vast majority of these people are though? The one common denominator that transcends their sex, gender identity, trans status or anything else? That they are mostly white. Next, I'd bet they are mostly middle-classed+.

If this is any sort of group based entitlement, I think that would be the first feature that unites those most active and definitely most violent when it comes to this social issue.

The reason this woman & other transpeople are cross with the WI is that it’s that she thinks it should allow men.

Again, everyone in the post concerned is female. At no point was the trans identifying person wondering if they should join the WI for it to even be a debate about whether someone FTM should be allowed in.

Regardless, both OP of the post and the mother are female. So why are you still talking about males at all? They have no bearing here.

Just like the sex of members here or their lack of trans identity has little bearing on the quality of their character.

Sure. We don’t decide who can and can’t join the WI or use women’s toilets based on character or whether they identify as trans. We do it based on biological sex.

And then seeing who doesn’t try to muscle in on our spaces regardless tells us quite a lot about their character. Trans Reddit is full of blokes encouraging each other to keep using women’s spaces.

I've said my point several times.

Okay? What's your point?

But this isnt about a man and it isnt about SA. It's about someone who is female and their mother.

'maybe all this men are like this and women are like that is not only part of the problem, but has no basis in reality.'

Apart from the data and stats, plus personal experience, of course. Which doesnt say 'all'. Only 99% of sexual assaults are committed by men.

Hey ho.