Guiding -ffs they don’t give up do they!

Why not? That is just as central to those organisations as being a biological female is to Guides.

Are you high? That's not a logical comparison

Well it would be more inclusive if alcoholics anonymous included non-alcoholics.

Hmm, it's almost like the mindless pursuit of extreme "inclusion" at all costs misses the point.

Right - and they should just take the Alcoholics part out of Alcoholics Anonymous or the Health part out of the World Health Organisation - hmmm.

They would only be mixed sex, if they allowed transgirls and transwomen in.

That does seem like some progress and I'm glad to be wrong (or at least partially wrong, as you say you're a sample of one). I hope including you isn't an isolated case and you get to express your opinion without being shouted down. I'm not involved in girlguiding at all but thank you for raising your head above the parapet.

They invited all volunteers to apply to join the task force and asked us about our views and then say they selected the 500 from a cross section of views.
my inclusion suggests that’s true- I know only a sample of one but a few years ago my opinions if expressed publicly on a gg forum could have got me banned.

Oh that's interesting! I take back my comment that the task force is a tiny proportion of volunteers who are activists!

That was my question, thank you.

So if the number of volunteers is 80,000, and the task force of 500 comes from that group, it's less than 1% of guiding volunteers pushing this.

Once again a tiny number of people having a completely disproportionate and outsized influence. That is how activism works in general - the vast majority of people aren't activists or interested at all - but in this case its a tiny number who managed to create a culture of fear and silence in the majority.

But by accepting trans children in they are essentially becoming mixed sex

I've had more emails about this from GG hq than I have ever had from them on any other topic in the 2 years my kid has been going to rainbows. How about you focus on the girls?

As I recall the survey could be completed by anyone, so I'm sure it was bombarded with TRA responses who have never had any involvement in Girlguiding. Same as the ponds.

I’m one of those older, sensible and robust Leaders. And we will continue to run as we always have. Girl lead and empowering the next generation. Your support of your Leaders is much appreciated.

8 senior members of GG staff on the panel about how Girlguiding can support boys.

Remind me how many taskforces we have had about supporting female members who are confused about their gender?

I would never let my daughter camp with transgirls

Because the only reason Guides exists at all is to be a group for girls only.

There are already multiple other children's groups: Girls/Boys Brigade if you want a Christian group, Woodcraft folk if you are a bit crunchy, Cadets if you want a bit military, St John's for first aiding, Scouts for outdoorsy stuff and so on.

The only unique selling point of Guides is that it's like Scouts but girls only. If it goes mixed sex it's pointless.

Disagree. Guides is for girls, girls should be allowed something just for them because the dynamic changes when boys are there.
For what it’s worth I think making scouts mixed was a mistake but there’s no going back on that now

Because it's an erosion of women's and girls' rights to have single sex spaces.

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this is 99% of my RL experience too.

which is why I never quit as a volunteer before they changed stance.

Im one of the 500.

so far I have been asked to fill in a very basic survey which was floating the idea of large style community events that include trans people.

i said great idea as long as they are genuinely welcome to ALL people and comply with the very sensible SC judgement.

tbh I was up for a fight but the whole thing was so watered down so as to obviously be a pandering to the trans rights activists without any teeth.

in a funny way it was quite reassuring.

I don't like this either, however what GGs say in their guff and what actually happens are two separate things.

My DD's Brownies unit is run by a group of older, eminently sensible and robust women. They're all about 'the girls' and they are passionate about empowering girls. As long as these types of people continue to run the groups, GG can spout whatever ridiculous bullshit they want.

Well my lived experience means I have even less trust in those males who believe they are women or boys, not to destroy even more groups for women and girls. Does that not count?