Clinics forced to share data on children who took PBs .. at last

@onepostwonder what is a sex realist?

Please could you describe what the term actually means so that I can work out if I am one or not?

Thank you.

I'm not going to get involved in you trying to dominate yet another thread with countless posts.
Simply to say that responsible adults are always concerned when children below the age of consent are groomed and gaslit into believing that a sex change will cure their pubertal angst.
There should be no place for trans extremists influencing child health care. Cass has recognised that and despite the issues about the trials, society has finally understood what's been done to vulnerable children and it's finally coming to an end.

Beowulfa I assure you it's equally incomprehensible to some of us who work in the NHS.

It's not helpful for sex realists to involve themselves in someone else's medical treatment and relationships.

I work in a top-rated STEM department in a top-rated university. The sustained lack of interest in follow-on data is totally incomprehensible to me. It just couldn't happen in the field I work in.

Mostly, if at all, only in the shorter term.....before dysphoria or other types of distress shift focus and re-assert themselves; and only as long as other people reinforce the self perception.

People always remain the sex they are - so in that regard nobody is 'trans' other than in the way/manner/style they choose to present.

We are happy. In recent years, children have clearly been misdiagnosed. Misdiagnosis does not invalidate the diagnosis in others.

Would reports of happy successful outcomes change sex realist beliefs? No. Because "Gender Ideology" was created so sex realists wouldn't be required to acknowledge individual experience. People could be ignored and the big scary straw man attacked instead, just like "Gay Agenda" was in the 80s.

I can see the sex realists continuing to be disappointed to learn that transition works, from any age. Trans people live happy lives.

Medicine doesn't normally function to back up people's mental perceptions of themselves; it functions according to rigorous methodology regarding known physical or mental diseases.

Isn't it just.

There are going to be some interesting stories in twenty years time...

This is about children and their safety and wellbeing. It's not helpful for transactivists to repeatedly dismiss safeguarding children in favour of their own self absorbed narratives - although it's very revealing.

We are happy. In recent years, children have clearly been misdiagnosed. Misdiagnosis does not invalidate the diagnosis in others.

Would reports of happy successful outcomes change sex realist beliefs? No. Because "Gender Ideology" was created so sex realists wouldn't be required to acknowledge individual experience. People could be ignored and the big scary straw man attacked instead, just like "Gay Agenda" was in the 80s.

Yes, my daughter couldn't get them.

I think the clinics will continue to resist, which will effectively kick the new PB trial down the road. Hopefully long enough that trying to change sex falls out of vogue and the consequences to those caught up in taking PBs and cross sec hormones become clearer.

This is about children and their safety and wellbeing. It's not helpful for transactivists to repeatedly dismiss safeguarding children in favour of their own self absorbed narratives - although it's very revealing.

"suppression" was concerns over privacy. No one wants to be publicly hounded by sex realists for merely just living their lives.

I think the clinics will continue to resist, which will effectively kick the new PB trial down the road. Hopefully long enough that trying to change sex falls out of vogue and the consequences to those caught up in taking PBs and cross sec hormones become clearer.

I am pleased to see this. I always thought it outrageous that this data had been withheld.

Also is this Wes on manouvres to gather enough fig leaves to cover his blushes as he keeps kicking the Pathways Trial down the road (hopefully indefinately).

Weirdly, I want them to be happy. They were children, dreadful shit was done to them, the least they deserve is that they've navigated a way through all and found a safe harbour. It would still doesn’t tell us that in an alternative, sane, universe the same kids left to grow up (for want of a better word) normally would not have been just as happy and healthy.

I suspect it'll be a mixed bag. I think a real reluctant to share data is it's going to be a mess. Missing, inconsistent, incoherent and ideologically driven. The children, whose welfare should have been at the heart, will have been an afterthought. Still I suspect some of the institutes got a shit load of grants and those CVs weren't going to pad themselves.

All the young adults who have transitioned should be queuing up to tell researchers how great their lives are after transitioning as children.

And all the clinics should be proud to advertise how successful it has been with the data that will show exactly how safe and effective child medical transition is.

Why would they possibly want to suppress such positive data I wonder 🤔