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OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 26/02/2026 21:38

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Justme56 · 26/02/2026 21:23

Just to add I looked up their information and they set up a fund to help move forward. It looks like their original target was £750 and have now reached £1100 which is good news.

WarrenTofficier · 26/02/2026 20:59

PriOn1 · 26/02/2026 20:18

The article is unrelentingly “both sides” which is ironic because Sister’s Heal has literally been set up because there is no single sex provision available.

So if their right to meet is removed, women are back without any service, while men who claim they’re women can access all services.

Glad they covered it but they missed a hugely significant angle.

Any denying of single sex spaces to rape victims who request them is beyond awful but this particular situation is beyond beyond awful. A rape victim was suing the provision because they offered mens, trans and single 'gender' mixed sex groups but not a single option just for women (the majority of SA victims), at the 11th hour after months of proceedings the provision back down and promise a womens group. Months later despite the promise, despite the funding being peovided no sign of women only group so victims set up their own charity and their own groups and what happens? The TRAs pile on and try to get them shut down. They are actually beneath contempt.

PriOn1 · 26/02/2026 20:18

The article is unrelentingly “both sides” which is ironic because Sister’s Heal has literally been set up because there is no single sex provision available.

So if their right to meet is removed, women are back without any service, while men who claim they’re women can access all services.

Glad they covered it but they missed a hugely significant angle.

ArabellaScott · 26/02/2026 19:56

It doesnt matter how much they hate rant and rage about hurt feelings over being 'excluded'. Adult men demanding access to rape victims is spectacularly awful.

ArabellaScott · 26/02/2026 19:54

If the penny hadnt dropped for the general public by now then surely grown men raging and hating on women for wanting a female only service for rape survivors would be crystal clear?

ArabellaScott · 26/02/2026 19:52

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That particular inch is just irrestistible, though. Precisely because its out of bounds and distresses women. This is rape culture.

ArabellaScott · 26/02/2026 19:51

For a time I had thought Protectthedollz was a feminist fourth columnist trying to persuade trans activists to not be so utterly awful.

But no feminist I know could be so dismissive of women's suffering, even in character.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 26/02/2026 19:50

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ArabellaScott · 26/02/2026 19:49

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 26/02/2026 16:24

It sounds like something that will be deleted soon, they don't like the voice of reason on Reddit, especially if it's supporting women (sort of).

I see that lone voice of Reasonable Trans Activist, who absolutely never visits this board at all ever, will graciously allow rape survivors women only space, if there's also a mixed sex space, because otherwise the optics aren't great for the trans movement.

Can you even imagine being that fucking callous?

'Let the rape victims have their little space to themselves, otherwise we look nasty by forcing our way in'

The worst thing about male abuse is it makes men look bad. Which rule of misogyny is that?

ScrollingLeaves · 26/02/2026 19:48

Mmmnotsure · 25/02/2026 16:48

There’s that infuriating reference again to the row that has broken out “on both sides“. No women’s groups are putting pressure on places to not allow men who identify as women to hold their own events.

I think that ‘On both sides’ is just a catch phrase now. It doesn’t have to be true. It is probably constantly used as it helps prevent trans activists from claiming they are victims.

Why did the BBC say ‘which she calls transactivists’? They wouldn't say, ‘Which she calls climate change activists.’

Meanwhile they never explained what Terf means and that it is generally used as a slur.

TheRozzers · 26/02/2026 19:38

Statements from Sisters Heal say they are funded entirely by donations. Everything goes towards subsidising single sex counselling and group trauma support for women. Just leaving that information here…

mycatcontrolsmewith5g · 26/02/2026 19:29

They are on X worth a follow

TellMeYourScores · 26/02/2026 18:46

Arran2024 · 26/02/2026 17:58

Thank you. That sounds interesting. I'm glad it's helping you. My daughters can't handle hearing about other people's traumatic early life stories though. That's another trigger! They did get a lot of 1 to 1 therapy as children, but it doesn't make the triggers go away. Police sirens in particular are a huge problem.

I am sorry to hear this, I should have worded my post better. It is not always a triggering environment where people share explicit stories. It more often an environment of support and understanding of shared experiences. There is a lot of positivity also. I am pleased to read your daughter’s received therapy as children and you sound like a wonderful mother to them. It is always a relief to hear there was and is loving adoptions.

Arran2024 · 26/02/2026 17:58

TellMeYourScores · 26/02/2026 17:32

I fully support your comment completely, survivors have every right to be in an environment that caters for them exclusively.

I do not know if you are aware, there are groups for Care Experienced People who are now adults run by the Rees foundation and Care Leavers Association. These groups are exclusively for adults who experienced adoption, foster or kinship care it is a safe space to share challenges they be experiencing and share positive stories too. The community really supports each other and the different experiences we have each had.

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Thank you. That sounds interesting. I'm glad it's helping you. My daughters can't handle hearing about other people's traumatic early life stories though. That's another trigger! They did get a lot of 1 to 1 therapy as children, but it doesn't make the triggers go away. Police sirens in particular are a huge problem.

TellMeYourScores · 26/02/2026 17:32

Arran2024 · 26/02/2026 13:59

I have two adopted daughters. People are forever telling me that I need to teach them to be calm in stressful situations etc with absolutely no understanding that they are triggered before their brain has engaged. And their automatic reaction is to flee, which can be really dangerous. They are both adults now and nothing can change this response. They react to perceived danger - they see the possibilities in a situation in a nano second. Imo they need single sex spaces to help them navigate the world safely and it makes me furious when people like Helen Webberley say stay at home if you don't like it.

I fully support your comment completely, survivors have every right to be in an environment that caters for them exclusively.

I do not know if you are aware, there are groups for Care Experienced People who are now adults run by the Rees foundation and Care Leavers Association. These groups are exclusively for adults who experienced adoption, foster or kinship care it is a safe space to share challenges they be experiencing and share positive stories too. The community really supports each other and the different experiences we have each had.

InconvenientlyMaterial · 26/02/2026 17:20

ArabellaScott · 26/02/2026 16:28

Yes, it makes trans activists look bad. But that doesnt mean the BBC should uncritically lend them credence, nor use the misogynist slur in their title.

I agree. I phrased my post badly.

I think I might complain from both angles though.

Whilst the misogynist bias is unacceptable, I think the way the BBC report hard-line trans activist views as if they speak for all trans people is (actually) transphobic and also dangerous because they're uncritically amplifying borderline terrorist behaviour.

Keeptoiletssafe · 26/02/2026 16:57

I have a 50+ page report to show single sex toilets are a need. The subheadings aren’t a barrel of laughs. I haven’t even mentioned stories about the BBC toilets yet.

ArabellaScott · 26/02/2026 16:28

InconvenientlyMaterial · 26/02/2026 10:58

Does this warrant a complaint to the BBC?

You're right, the story is "man / men harass female abuse survivors and block their ability to lawfully meet".

Arguably this article actually makes trans people look pretty bad by implying Terf Watch act on behalf of them.

Yes, it makes trans activists look bad. But that doesnt mean the BBC should uncritically lend them credence, nor use the misogynist slur in their title.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 26/02/2026 16:24

It sounds like something that will be deleted soon, they don't like the voice of reason on Reddit, especially if it's supporting women (sort of).

InconvenientlyMaterial · 26/02/2026 16:19

FallenSloppyDead3 · 26/02/2026 16:11

PTD on reddit:
Is it true that there are also trans inclusive survivors groups in Brighton?
If so, let the terfs have their own group. Absolutely not a hill worth dying on.
Up here in Scotland I still hear colleagues, who don't know I'm trans, mention the situation with Wadhwa at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre when discussing trans inclusion. Which, with the recent cases around prisons up here, has been a repeated topic in the court common rooms.
And if a lack of trans exclusive services for rape survivors is generally opposed in the context of the liberal middle class that is the Glasgow bar, it must be utterly toxic with the general population.
Obviously a different situation when there are 0 trans inclusive survivors groups.

Link to whole thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rf778l/row_breaks_out_over_events_singlesex_policy/

Yes hopefully more trans people will realise what the hard-line fundamentalist deeply misogynist trans activists are doing on their behalf

FallenSloppyDead3 · 26/02/2026 16:11

PTD on reddit:
Is it true that there are also trans inclusive survivors groups in Brighton?
If so, let the terfs have their own group. Absolutely not a hill worth dying on.
Up here in Scotland I still hear colleagues, who don't know I'm trans, mention the situation with Wadhwa at the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre when discussing trans inclusion. Which, with the recent cases around prisons up here, has been a repeated topic in the court common rooms.
And if a lack of trans exclusive services for rape survivors is generally opposed in the context of the liberal middle class that is the Glasgow bar, it must be utterly toxic with the general population.
Obviously a different situation when there are 0 trans inclusive survivors groups.

Link to whole thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rf778l/row_breaks_out_over_events_singlesex_policy/

Arran2024 · 26/02/2026 13:59

GenderlessVoid · 25/02/2026 19:22

I agree that women should be able to have their own spaces because they want them. They shouldn't need to show that they've had trauma.

But this article is about trauma healing classes so it's very relevant to the story.

I also like it because it helps to educate people that you can't reason your way out of a trauma response, it's an involuntary physiological reaction to situations, stimuli, etc. If you react badly to men because of past trauma, having trans women in a group will make it very stressful and unsuitable for women trying to heal from that trauma. It could easily exacerbate problems instead of lessen them.

I used to be shocked at how many people didn't understand this. Many think that if you reframe your trauma or accept transwomen (in general), you won't have a trauma response to transwomen in single sex spaces. But that's completely ignorant of how trauma responses work. It's very similar to the misconception that Tourette's verbal tics show your true feelings. No, you have no control over either. I've had trauma responses to good friends. I didn't think they were bad people, my body had a physiological reaction. I think it's important that the public - and policy makers - understand how trauma responses work and also how difficult they make life for those who have them.

I also think that explaining trauma responses will lead some to understand why some women need single sex spaces. Many people start off with "be kind" and only start to understand the need for single sex spaces when they see something that seems unfair or harmful. I think many can understand why a woman who's been raped wouldn't want to be around men, especially when dealing with their rape. Once they see how that's a problem, they often start to see how transwomen in single sex spaces leads to other problems too.

I have two adopted daughters. People are forever telling me that I need to teach them to be calm in stressful situations etc with absolutely no understanding that they are triggered before their brain has engaged. And their automatic reaction is to flee, which can be really dangerous. They are both adults now and nothing can change this response. They react to perceived danger - they see the possibilities in a situation in a nano second. Imo they need single sex spaces to help them navigate the world safely and it makes me furious when people like Helen Webberley say stay at home if you don't like it.

InconvenientlyMaterial · 26/02/2026 10:58

Does this warrant a complaint to the BBC?

You're right, the story is "man / men harass female abuse survivors and block their ability to lawfully meet".

Arguably this article actually makes trans people look pretty bad by implying Terf Watch act on behalf of them.

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