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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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WarriorN · 28/02/2026 07:53

Unfortunately we / women running refuges do have to be able to discussed these issues.

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WarriorN · 28/02/2026 07:51

PeachyDaisy · 28/02/2026 02:13

I’m GC but I am a little interested in why they are including transmen. The founder said women are traumatized by the sight of a male bodied person but wouldn’t that including passing transmen?

This is a good point and one that must be considered as I once had a discussion with a trans identified woman who had transitioned who was extremely aware that her presentation / voice could trigger trauma if the women around her didn’t know she was female.

I think that any woman who has transitioned and is accessing such support would/ should be aware of this however, and I would hope that this would be transparent and openly discussed.

Of course there have been instances of trans activists pretending to be de transitioned woman to gain access to women and spaces ( EJ has described the kid who put Glinner through the courts as doing this to her and I think other instances.)

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GingerBeverage · 28/02/2026 07:31

Links
https://terfwatchbrighton.substack.com
https://www.instagram.com/terfwatchbtn
https://linktr.ee/terfwatchbtn
And screenshots of their secure contacts for “tips”.

All very masculine coded with the ‘secret spy’ veneer.

Row breaks out over event’s single sex policy: bbc
Row breaks out over event’s single sex policy: bbc
Row breaks out over event’s single sex policy: bbc
TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 28/02/2026 06:45

PeachyDaisy · 28/02/2026 05:29

I’m only asking as I know some transmen can look very male (unlike transwomen who don’t tend to pass as well). Case in point if Buck Angel decided to rock up can they be legally excluded despite being biologically female.

If Buck Angel was she'd understand because she knows she's a women who's presenting as a man.
She seems to be convincing as a male on the video's on YouTube but how convincing would she be in person, she may not get excluded because she doesn't really pass in real life.

PeachyDaisy · 28/02/2026 05:29

I’m only asking as I know some transmen can look very male (unlike transwomen who don’t tend to pass as well). Case in point if Buck Angel decided to rock up can they be legally excluded despite being biologically female.

IwantToRetire · 28/02/2026 03:33

PeachyDaisy · 28/02/2026 02:13

I’m GC but I am a little interested in why they are including transmen. The founder said women are traumatized by the sight of a male bodied person but wouldn’t that including passing transmen?

It isn't about appearance, that is a superficial issue.

It is possible, or maybe even likely that a woman who has chosen to transition will have experience male violence as a woman. And so the shared experience of male violence is the basis of the group.

Also, m
More often than not, when women talk about why they transitioned, if not acts of violence by men, but being objectified, means that for many getting rid of their breasts which men have leered atand objectivifed them is a relief.

And not saying I know, but just as many women say that even if a man who has transitioned "sucessfully" ie achieving an a constrcted representation of a woman women can still see their maleness, so as likely that a woman who has transitioned and "appears" male there is likely to be a sense of them as a woman.

And I suspect those organising the event will have a process for ensuring those attending are not creating a negative environment.

ie if a woman who has transitioned chose to swaggered around in an exaggerated male way, or something, they would be asked to modify their behaviour or leave.

MyAmpleSheep · 28/02/2026 02:48

PeachyDaisy · 28/02/2026 02:13

I’m GC but I am a little interested in why they are including transmen. The founder said women are traumatized by the sight of a male bodied person but wouldn’t that including passing transmen?

They are including trans identifying women because they are women. If a female attendee has such a masculine aspect that it prevents the service being offered (a big ‘if’) then I’m sure they will be asked politely to leave. Whatever they identify as. Just as would anyone whose aspect, dress or other personal characteristics interfered with the programme on offer.

Come on people - this is not difficult.

PeachyDaisy · 28/02/2026 02:13

I’m GC but I am a little interested in why they are including transmen. The founder said women are traumatized by the sight of a male bodied person but wouldn’t that including passing transmen?

auserna · 27/02/2026 23:15

What is it with all the name-calling that barely seems to be commented on? TRAs can call people TERFs, transphobes, bigots, and it's seen as acceptable, but get a pronoun wrong accidentally and you're the devil incarnate.

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2026 22:52

We've just been discussing Hannah Simpson of the Greens saying Reform being 'divisive' was the cause of the Manchester bombing, on the Gorton thread.

Seems to be a common theme.

TheRozzers · 27/02/2026 22:45

What hope do women in Brighton have with Sian Berry as their MP. See X post calling FiLiA provocative for daring to hold a feminist conference in Brighton.

Row breaks out over event’s single sex policy: bbc
IwantToRetire · 27/02/2026 21:16

Part of me still doesn't understand as this is now in the public domain why no person in a position or authority or what ever, hasn't spoken up in support of the aim of the support group.

Its just so normalised.

Not just the harassment, but the belittling of what is important to women.

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2026 19:56

TheRozzers · 27/02/2026 19:28

I wonder if it should be reported to the police. Harassing women like this does feel like a misogynistic hate crime. Maybe the police in Brighton only care about misgendering.

In the instance of targeting a lesbian group, they could probably report a homophobic hate crime.

TheRozzers · 27/02/2026 19:28

I wonder if it should be reported to the police. Harassing women like this does feel like a misogynistic hate crime. Maybe the police in Brighton only care about misgendering.

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2026 16:43

BiologicalRobot · 25/02/2026 16:58

Terf Watch Brighton, which describes itself as a grassroots collective of journalists

Identifying as journalists? Is that the new noun for wankers?

Funny.

There seems to be several wankers (singular) identitying as multiple people in order to avoid individual liability issues and being identified by the police out there.

We know of one who did actually get arrested not too long ago for his long running campaigns of harassment against multiple people.

IwantToRetire · 27/02/2026 16:33

I think it was on the facebook page, but in a way that doesn't matter, but is there really no one in Brighton prepared to ask the local Council and the Police why are you allowing this group to harass and intimidate women from putting on a voluntary service for other women, which is well within the law.

Can you imagine if say a group with a shared religion who wanted to put on a event in relation to that, were hounded by local residents.

Or is Brighton, like other councils unable to believe that women have rights.

And certainly think the police should be investigating this group.

Isn't what they are doing hate speech.

Single sex gatherings based on biology are legal.

I suppose it would help if the venues who have been intimidated put in complaints, but suspect they wont do that because they feel they will go on being the target of the reactionary male TRAs.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2026 15:21

Reddit thread about this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/s/2xiiyItIEq

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 27/02/2026 09:21

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TheRozzers · 27/02/2026 08:09

IwantToRetire · 26/02/2026 22:32

There's quite an active discusion on the BBC Sussex facebook page about this.

Unsuprisingly there are some who are all about think about the poor TW, where are they to go etc., but quite a few posts about the need for and the legal right to single sex services.

I was going to say I was surprised as I assume all of Brighton is totally captured, but maybe the difference is that facebook page is Sussex.

https://www.facebook.com/BBCSussex/posts/pfbid023jXnkP69Lz3nLLfFVgUfDc3KzUFrj9gQ8UZCUeSiadKp67sYzaJYuyCxfh25kiiBl

I think the ones that are saying poor TW probably don’t realise that every women’s service in Brighton is centred around TW. Everything with official funding is for TW with biological women an after thought.

Sisters Heal is just a group of volunteers offering support to women that the official services won’t provide.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2026 04:02

That popped up on my FB feed as well.

IwantToRetire · 26/02/2026 22:32

There's quite an active discusion on the BBC Sussex facebook page about this.

Unsuprisingly there are some who are all about think about the poor TW, where are they to go etc., but quite a few posts about the need for and the legal right to single sex services.

I was going to say I was surprised as I assume all of Brighton is totally captured, but maybe the difference is that facebook page is Sussex.

https://www.facebook.com/BBCSussex/posts/pfbid023jXnkP69Lz3nLLfFVgUfDc3KzUFrj9gQ8UZCUeSiadKp67sYzaJYuyCxfh25kiiBl

BBC Sussex

A row has broken out over a Brighton event's single-sex attendance policy. More here: https://bbc.in/3MwRZEe

https://www.facebook.com/BBCSussex/posts/pfbid023jXnkP69Lz3nLLfFVgUfDc3KzUFrj9gQ8UZCUeSiadKp67sYzaJYuyCxfh25kiiBl

TheRozzers · 26/02/2026 22:07

Justme56 · 26/02/2026 21:23

Just to add I looked up their information and they set up a fund to help move forward. It looks like their original target was £750 and have now reached £1100 which is good news.

Brilliant! Not what the TRAs were hoping to achieve I’m sure.

DrBlackbird · 26/02/2026 21:51

HoppityBun · 26/02/2026 21:43

What??? It’s surprising that they’re a journalist? Surely at least on here, of all threads, it’s no big deal to say that he is a journalist? Or are we, now, scared of that, too?

Actually I hadn’t purposely used ‘they’re’ lol and no idea if the journalist is NB or not. No fear, just tired and it’s late 😉

HoppityBun · 26/02/2026 21:43

DrBlackbird · 26/02/2026 21:38

It strikes me that Joshua is not a great journalist in managing to portray both sides in a negative light and it’s surprising that they’re a ‘BBC’ journalist.

What??? It’s surprising that they’re a journalist? Surely at least on here, of all threads, it’s no big deal to say that he is a journalist? Or are we, now, scared of that, too?

DrBlackbird · 26/02/2026 21:38

InconvenientlyMaterial · 26/02/2026 17:20

I agree. I phrased my post badly.

I think I might complain from both angles though.

Whilst the misogynist bias is unacceptable, I think the way the BBC report hard-line trans activist views as if they speak for all trans people is (actually) transphobic and also dangerous because they're uncritically amplifying borderline terrorist behaviour.

It strikes me that Joshua is not a great journalist in managing to portray both sides in a negative light and it’s surprising that they’re a ‘BBC’ journalist.

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