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Yes presumably by her father who was raping her from the age of just 7. Truly horrendous abuse. How could anyone react to that story by chastising her for seeking some support?

She talked.about being pregnant at 13 and trauma, and got comparisons with Nazi collaborators.

I suppose it shouldnt shock me by now.

Those pesky trans exclusionary women going about including women who are trans its almost like they aren't actually trans exclusionary at all.

' ...it saddens me to see members of our community siding with TERFs over their sisters against transmisogyny.'

This 'siding' consists of attending support sessions for survivors.

Christ. You'd think they could have a glimmer of empathy.

"Stealthing" in the trans sense predates "stealthing" as the description for pretending to wear a condom or stealthily removing it.

That post from the trans man is heartbreaking. There should be no need to justify getting support. It shows that as long as there is full transparency, and the women are made aware beforehand then including trans men in women’s service can work.

The whole thing is very sad. No wonder she rejected her female body. Of course there's no empathy from the men in dresses or their trans-identified handmaidens. I'm glad at least that she is getting support from sisters heal.

Wow, she laid it all out for them, and all she got was a dismissive 'sorry' before being chastised for consorting with the enemy.

I hope the cancelling helps her deal with the nightmare experience she was subjected to.
I also hope she comes to her sense's and realises who's on her side and who isn't, and dump the sorry, waste of space people she see's as her 'community'.

The trans-identified woman who attends sisters heal has posted. I've changed my mind about her attendance. It seems every one is comfortable with her being there, she appears thoughtful and not wanting to cause any upset, and my goodness does she need the support after truly horrendous childhood abuse. It's remarkable to me that the main support group includes trans-identified men but denies trans-identified women.

Reading the Reddit Thread was like stepping into a parallel universe, where up was down and in was out. They're nuts, everyone knows they're nuts right. 🤯

I cant say i have ever heard the word Femme used in relation to trans culture - but then I am not involved in it. But it has for years, decades been about gay culture, and it was part of 70s women's liberation feminism which was against gender stereo typing that meant lesbians who were also women's liberationist campaigned against.

But almost worse, and isn't that just typical of the trans community, stealthing by men in hetrosexuality has been an act of male violence that women's groups have long campaigned to be recognised for what it is. Male sexual violence against women.

So please do not let the distorted logic of the trans community try and appropriate the word.

Although of course it does reveal how gross their minds are that they would want to use a word that is how recognised by the legal system in the UK as rape of a biological woman by a biological male.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/types-of-sexual-violence/what-is-stealthing/

Wow I guess I was wrong and some trans-identified women do attend. I can't deny I have some concerns about some trans-identified women attending, mainly if she looks convincingly like a man as it could be triggering for traumatised women attending.

But I still find sickening the way they have spoken about her. She's a rape or sexual abuse survivor looking for help. They can't see past their obsession with trans-identified men being permitted to bring their fetish into traumatised women's spaces long enough to recognise she is a vulnerable person who needed help not some enemy operative. There's one even comparing her to SS aligned Jews.

A trans identifying woman involved with Sisters Heal is a “pick-me gender traitor”, apparently.

Nice.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rhx144/trans_man_working_with_terf_group_sisters_heal/

Where I live femme is a pretty common word which is not associated with the TRA movement.

Are you in the UK?

I actually first learnt the word when I was young and living in France (femme is women in french).

I first came across it as a child in the "English" expression, "Cherchez la femme" 🇫🇷

Yep, much easier to deal with the tiny minority i.e. the passing trans man on a case by case basis, be that handing them on to specialist trans provision, offering a 1to1 service or seeing if the women are OK with the inclusion of a transman (especially if they detransing and therefore will presumably be prepared to stop maximising the 'maleness' of their appearance).
Ultimately this is a much less likely scenario than a female victim who is triggered by a non passing trans women. The TRAs were happy for these women to be without any provision while the passing TM still has the trans provision as an option. And they would be 'outing' themselves by wanting to join a female group so the TRAs can't accuse Sisters Heal of outting them by raising the subject.

I was one of the posters who reacted to the word 'femme' I took it to be the English word 'femme', which is pronounced as it looks in English, not the way the French word for 'woman' is pronounced.

My experience is that when I'm in the French-speaking world, 'femme' simply means a woman.

When I'm in the English-speaking world, 'femme' means exaggerated, stereotypical 'femininity', and something which I thought had faded into the mists of time...

I realise now you just meant it as 'feminine', and I'm sorry for reacting to your post as I did, PeachyDaisy.

The moment a transman speaks its obvious that they're female even after years of testosterone use as their voice never reaches a male range. The moment you see a transman walk you can tell she's female due to her gate caused by her q angle and ofcourse theirs her shoulder size and shape.
Transmen especially if they were given puberty blockers are much smaller than men and if they took pbs as a child they're shorter than women too.
Basically when you see a transman in the flesh in real life they rarely pass much like transwomen. Though I accept that some traumatised women may find the presence of a transman to triggering but for others it wouldn't. The thing is there's services just for transmen, others for transwomen and ofcourse the women's services are mixed sex as they allow transwomen to join so the mythical passing 6' bearded transman would not be left with no support if they were refused services due to their extreme body modifications (which btw is legal discrimination). A woman's single sex support group can say we will take transmen on a case by case policy, so the transmen who haven't had extreme body modifications can join but those who look luck buck angel (though I personally dont think that she passes when talking, moving or is seen beside other men and/or women) could be excluded. This is backed up by the EHRC interim guidance which was found to be legal by the high crt

People are making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill over the use of the word. I don't like the word cis but I aint going to have a breakdown if I hear someone use the word (although I would still never use the word myself).

I hear femme as in transfemme or transmasc used by the younger 20 somethings instead of TW or TM. The latter are not the words of choice by the young genderists. So I’d probably associate femme with TRAs thanks to the language used by that crowd.

‘Femme’ tends to refer to femininity - cultural and societal expectations - in English.

That is not synonymous with ‘woman’ if you believe woman is just a noun that means adult human female in the same way that a ewe is a female sheep.

Where I live femme is a pretty common word which is not associated with the TRA movement. Maybe it is different where you live. I actually first learnt the word when I was young and living in France (femme is women in french).

Either way, I will avoid using the word again if people on here see it as a TRA word.

It is also TRA-speak for "passing" and not letting on that you are the opposite sex.

"Femme" is also TRA-speak, sort of equivalent to "Dolls" as in "Protect the Dolls", or as in "Femme Boys".

It set my alarm bells ringing. The Femme-Butch usage did not occur to me although I realise now that in this context it makes much more sense.

I understand what you're saying. I just personally think it's incredibly selfish for a trans-identified woman who knows she looks convincingly like a man to attend a session for survivors of sexual violence. It shows a lack of thought and consideration of the impact that her appearance could have on other women. Again though, it's sisters heal prerogative to decide who can attend and if that is their rule then fair enough. I just worry some women will self- exclude. It's probably a theoretical concern as I doubt any trans-identified woman who had gone to such lengths to appear like a man would want to go anyway.