Baby born from dead donor womb transplant in UK first

I posted the original quote.

It does not, anywhere on that page, state that when the research is done they will carry out a womb transplant on a trans woman. Id thank you to retract your accusation calling me a liar.

Worth looking at Scotgov's recent campaigns to persuade young women to donate eggs.

Ok im paraphrasing but yes ot is though they call them trans females and that it's not yet possible. The link and quote have been posted twice on this thread so I don't know why you're lieing about something thats so easy to disprove.

This is private.

There are NHS non life-saving transplants done though. There are corneas, voice boxes, hands, skin - lots for you to go and protest.

This. Organ transplants should only be about saving lives, not giving a lifestyle choice. Pay privately if that's what you want.

That’s not what they have said.

If we are debating the ethics of this, then it is completely relevant. Either the kids have it and have to then make life changing decisions as and when they want to have children which puts a burden on them, or the IVF has screened for it and they would presumably always do this when doing womb implanted embryo IVF. It is a huge part of the story.

So why do they claim that it would be discrimination to refuse men with trans identities wombs when its possible?

Yeah, thank goodness those days are gone for unmarried mothers. I'm not particularly fond of "buying" children from overseas either.
We have 2 adopted kids and I have permanent foster kids in my family. There is no difference in treatment by the wider family. They are cherished and treated the same as the "blood" (god I so hate that) kids.

Nope.

Again, it doesn't explain this because it is private medical information and none of your business.

Because women with this condition have been having their own biological children via IVF/surrogacy for years and that is not what has happened to their children at all.

Being carried in a transplanted womb instead of a surrogates womb makes no difference to the baby's life long health or any conditions they may inherit.

This is no where near the first biological child of a mother with MKRH syndrome. Do you understand that?

This is the first womb transplanted baby from a mother with this genetic issue so how can you possibly say "this isn't what happens to these children at all." ? You have no idea if this child has the gene or if it was screeened.

Hmm yes it does right before explaining why they can't yet ie the science isn't there yet

I think the issues here are that the articles don't explain what has been done to ensure their offspring don't have the same issues. If it had said they had screened to prevent reoccurance that would have put my mind at rest that this could be all used as a money making exercise, targeting families with these genetic issues in particular.

I saw that but it doesn't say that they "recognise transwomen as women" does it? It's totally clear that they are only looking at women for this. The wrong statue quote is bonkers though, very weird.

I hope that whoever is responsible for the website blurb is not allowed near an operating theatre. Their attention to detail is somewhat lacking.

But many candidates for a womb transplant won't have a genetically heritable condition so that isn't a reason ban it completely.

https://wombtransplantuk.org/fact-sheet/the-potential-for-operations-for-transgender-women

The UK Womb Transplant Research Team is fully aware and respectful of the 2010 Gender Equality Act that mandates equal care for transgender women, assuming technical feasibility.

I think we have to assume that they are talking about the Equality Act 2010.

They have clearly got some dodgy advice and their interpretation of the act is wrong, unless they think that they would be obliged to provide this treatment for any man who requested it.

They do go on to say

However it is abundantly clear from all recent experience and research that technical feasibility for a safe and successful operation for a transgender female, together with the possibility of sustaining a successful pregnancy, does not currently exist and that many years of detailed medical research will be required before this might become a viable and safe option.

That is not what happens to these children at all. You're making yourself look really uneducated. And judgemental which usually goes hand in hand with uneducated actually.

If they are passing on the same genetic fault to their children deliberately for their own gratification, yes. Their children and grandchildren then also have to go through the process of either having a womb implant or deciding whether to end the family line that they know their parents went all out to prevent happening. Ethically I find this problematic.

@PrizedPickledPopcorni was fortunate enough to have my own children. My sister in law has medical conditions which made her infertile and she had to have gruelling fertility treatment. Yes it was mentally difficult but their children have been worth it. Being a mum was something she always wanted to be.

her and my brother were fortunate enough that my great aunt paid for their treatment. She had never had children and had wanted them. She wishes that she could have had the option of fertility treatment. Even in her 80s she feels incomplete.

Where does it say that?

Ummmmmm, no it doesn’t. It literally states that they cannot carry out these transplants.

So it’s not life limiting when women want to seek treatment for it, but it is when they create a child?