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FakeTwix · 24/02/2026 21:44

Fearlesssloth · 24/02/2026 21:41

This is probably a really stupid question…but could a trans woman who had a womb transplant carry and give birth to a baby? With, say IVF using an implanted embryo? Or would a male body reject an implanted womb??

Pregnancies are only possible because of the very intricate and detailed interplay of multiple physiological processes. Men do not have any of the hormonal, endocrine, vascular, haematological, immunolgical capabilities requires. As well as having different anatomy including the wrong shaped pelvis.

It is impossible.

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2026 21:42

Fearlesssloth · 24/02/2026 21:41

This is probably a really stupid question…but could a trans woman who had a womb transplant carry and give birth to a baby? With, say IVF using an implanted embryo? Or would a male body reject an implanted womb??

Categorically not.

Fearlesssloth · 24/02/2026 21:41

This is probably a really stupid question…but could a trans woman who had a womb transplant carry and give birth to a baby? With, say IVF using an implanted embryo? Or would a male body reject an implanted womb??

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2026 21:41

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015028224019551

Ovary transplants between twins are already happening.

Fearlesssloth · 24/02/2026 21:37

ThatZanyFatball · 24/02/2026 20:16

Lol, seriously, a trope?? You made the argument that a womb transplant is akin to a lung or kidney transplant. But no one "needs" a womb transplant in order to start a family. Hell no one is going to die if they don't start a family. I feel for women who have fertility issues but a womb transplant is not a need it is a voluntary procedure. Alternatives are not just adoption literally you can go without having children, many people do. You can throw yourself into programs working with kids. You can forge relationships with neices/nephews. There are any, many alternatives if you can't have a child of your own. But no one will die w/o a womb transplant and comparing it to real life saving procedures is just, a false comparison.

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I’m curious to know what you actually have against it? There are not the same type of ethical considerations to think about when doing surrogacy. I agree that there should be an option for the person to opt in to specifically donate their womb if they were to die, which unfortunately doesn’t seem to be an option yet. But if it was, then what would you have against it? Not being able to have a biological child can be truly devastating for some people. It’s really not as simple as “just get on with your life and find a job working with kids or something”! And adoption can be very difficult too. You’re speaking from a place of privilege to be able to say something as blasé as “just get on with your life”

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 21:37

I do wonder, for those who think, 'if you don't opt out then you're accepting any body part may be taken', and who consider all organs to be pretty much the same...do you think that should include ovaries? They are, after all, 'just' organs, and you're not going to use them when you're dead!

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 21:35

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2026 21:20

The old donor cards used to have a catch all box Any Part of My Body May Be Used.
Maybe that was the dead woman's thoughs.

I had one card that included Cornias as an option and an earlier on that didn't. I assume cornias were a newer thing than organs.
Maybe bombs would be added to that list sooner or later.

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I think the issue is that uterus transplants are not standard, or expected, and there was no specific consent. And clearly, a lot of women feel differently about their uterus than they do, say, their kidney.

illbetheresunorrain · 24/02/2026 21:32

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2026 21:31

No, of course not.

thanks Goodness..

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2026 21:31

illbetheresunorrain · 24/02/2026 21:30

Does this mean that a biological man can sustain womb in his body and raise a baby?

No, of course not.

illbetheresunorrain · 24/02/2026 21:30

Does this mean that a biological man can sustain womb in his body and raise a baby?

FakeTwix · 24/02/2026 21:25

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2026 21:20

The old donor cards used to have a catch all box Any Part of My Body May Be Used.
Maybe that was the dead woman's thoughs.

I had one card that included Cornias as an option and an earlier on that didn't. I assume cornias were a newer thing than organs.
Maybe bombs would be added to that list sooner or later.

Edited

Probably not ever going to have bombs on the list 🤣

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2026 21:20

The old donor cards used to have a catch all box Any Part of My Body May Be Used.
Maybe that was the dead woman's thoughs.

I had one card that included Cornias as an option and an earlier on that didn't. I assume cornias were a newer thing than organs.
Maybe bombs would be added to that list sooner or later.

WarrenTofficier · 24/02/2026 21:07

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2026 20:55

I mean people are weird, abusive, controlling, and sometimes just totally different? The assumption family members can give consent on behalf of the dead is also questionable imo.

But that was the case when it was opt in. The family could veto your willingness to be a donor. They can't veto your opt out though.

WarrenTofficier · 24/02/2026 21:05

RogueFemale · 24/02/2026 21:02

Okay, but surely if you opt out it is very straightforward, and your organs/tissue cannot be donated, even if your next of kin might agree?

That's right-if you opt out you won't be a candidate for donation. That's what opting out means.

RogueFemale · 24/02/2026 21:02

WarrenTofficier · 24/02/2026 20:55

It not as straightforward as that. If you haven't opted out they don't just carve you up if you happen to have an accident that leaves you a suitable candidate for donation. It basically means if you have opted out it wouldn't be put to you family in event of such an accident where as if you haven't opted out the transplant team will open a dialogue with the family.
In the days of opt in even if you carried a donor card your family could refuse consent. That is still the case with opt out.

Do you think a donor coordinator is like to put someone forward for an experimental outside the usual organs donation if the family say we have no idea what her feelings on donation were? I would assume this is only suggested to families who indicate that their loved one pro any donation and had expressed that to them.

Okay, but surely if you opt out it is very straightforward, and your organs/tissue cannot be donated, even if your next of kin might agree?

QueenofDestruction · 24/02/2026 20:58

I feel wrong about this and have as acresult of this opted out of organ donation.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 20:58

WarrenTofficier · 24/02/2026 20:55

It not as straightforward as that. If you haven't opted out they don't just carve you up if you happen to have an accident that leaves you a suitable candidate for donation. It basically means if you have opted out it wouldn't be put to you family in event of such an accident where as if you haven't opted out the transplant team will open a dialogue with the family.
In the days of opt in even if you carried a donor card your family could refuse consent. That is still the case with opt out.

Do you think a donor coordinator is like to put someone forward for an experimental outside the usual organs donation if the family say we have no idea what her feelings on donation were? I would assume this is only suggested to families who indicate that their loved one pro any donation and had expressed that to them.

You make a lot of assumptions.

RogueFemale · 24/02/2026 20:56

SatinPajamas · 24/02/2026 20:52

Organ donors have been having babies for years with no harm to the child you know.

Organ donors are dead and can't have babies?

whoTFismadelaine · 24/02/2026 20:55

SatinPajamas · 24/02/2026 20:44

Still banging the life limiting illness drum eh?

It's standard for IVF embryos to be subjected to genetic screening in the UK when the parents have a genetic illness. No one is deliberately making infertile babies FFS.

Would you be happy for someone to use your womb to bring a healthy baby into the world btw? I can't tell if it's people with genetic illnesses or just womb transplants in general you have a problem with but honestly it seems like both.

You are very aggressive.
None of us have any idea if this baby has been screened for the same genetics and as you keep shouting, it is private and all about the mother. My point is this should not be the main reason to bring children into the world if we aren't 100% sure they aren't continuing problematic genetics.

WarrenTofficier · 24/02/2026 20:55

RogueFemale · 24/02/2026 20:48

Also, if anyone would like to opt out of donation of organs or tissue, here's the link to do it. If you don't opt out, it's assumed you agree to it.
https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/register-your-decision/do-not-donate/

It not as straightforward as that. If you haven't opted out they don't just carve you up if you happen to have an accident that leaves you a suitable candidate for donation. It basically means if you have opted out it wouldn't be put to you family in event of such an accident where as if you haven't opted out the transplant team will open a dialogue with the family.
In the days of opt in even if you carried a donor card your family could refuse consent. That is still the case with opt out.

Do you think a donor coordinator is like to put someone forward for an experimental outside the usual organs donation if the family say we have no idea what her feelings on donation were? I would assume this is only suggested to families who indicate that their loved one pro any donation and had expressed that to them.

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2026 20:55

WarrenTofficier · 24/02/2026 20:43

Do you think the loved ones of a woman who has never discussed organ donation with them or has expressed reservations/doubts/limits are likely to say yeah OK use her uterus for an experimental donation or is it more likely that the family of someone who has expressed a desire to be a donor, has talked about being happy to donate any body part after death, may have seen news about the living uterus donation and talked about wanting to do something like that one day that would agree? My family know where I stand and opt in or opt out the family always get the final say so it's very likely that are aware that this is something the donor would be happy to do. If you had any doubt in your mind that a loved one would be unhappy with a donation why would you give consent?

I mean people are weird, abusive, controlling, and sometimes just totally different? The assumption family members can give consent on behalf of the dead is also questionable imo.

SatinPajamas · 24/02/2026 20:52

RogueFemale · 24/02/2026 20:45

Has anyone mentioned the possible risk to the fetus of the drugs given when the woman receives a donated uterus, to avoid the body rejecting the foreign object? As with all infertility 'workarounds', the would-be parents' needs are prioritised over the needs of the child.

With surrogacy, the baby is ripped away from its birth mother, with whom it has 'communed', physically, for nine months. This new idea is, I continue to believe, grotesque, with not only potential harm to the fetus from the drugs but also of the organ dying or being infected or rejected by the body. There is also potential future psychological harm from the knowledge of gestation by a dead woman's uterus.

Organ donors have been having babies for years with no harm to the child you know.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 20:51

WarrenTofficier · 24/02/2026 20:43

Do you think the loved ones of a woman who has never discussed organ donation with them or has expressed reservations/doubts/limits are likely to say yeah OK use her uterus for an experimental donation or is it more likely that the family of someone who has expressed a desire to be a donor, has talked about being happy to donate any body part after death, may have seen news about the living uterus donation and talked about wanting to do something like that one day that would agree? My family know where I stand and opt in or opt out the family always get the final say so it's very likely that are aware that this is something the donor would be happy to do. If you had any doubt in your mind that a loved one would be unhappy with a donation why would you give consent?

So you're happy with assumed consent, not clear consent?

From what we know:

This woman may not have even realised that organ donation was 'opt out' now.
She may have been fine with donating organs, or she may not have.
She may have been clear with her family, or she may not.
Her family may have been strongly in favour of organ donation, so as she hadn't opted out, they thought it was right to go ahead.
Her family might be looking for some 'good' to come out of her death, but that doesn't mean she discussed wanting to donate organs with them.
She may have told them that she wanted to donate organs, but it seems unlikely she discussed donating her uterus specifically.
It's not likely the case in this situation, but in regards to some people they may not be on good terms with their family despite them being next of kin, so family may not make decisions in accord with the dead person's wishes.

Whatever the case may be, there was no clear, specific consent given to the NHS on the part of the dead woman, only a morass of assumptions.

An opt in system with a list of specific body parts would make much more sense. Or what's next? Someone's family giving permission for their eggs to be harvested, because ovaries are organs and you didn't opt out?

SatinPajamas · 24/02/2026 20:51

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Ah ok, I see there is no point trying to have a reasoned debate with you. The aggressive attitude calling everyone trolls and TRAs tells us all there's no point.

But infertility does kill people, over 50% of women going through infertility report feeling suicidal and an upsetting number of them do commit suicide. So it does kill people, it destroys marriages and mental health too. It's not something people "just get over" but I see there's no point trying to debate that with you.

RogueFemale · 24/02/2026 20:48

Also, if anyone would like to opt out of donation of organs or tissue, here's the link to do it. If you don't opt out, it's assumed you agree to it.
https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/register-your-decision/do-not-donate/

Do not donate

Record your decision not to become an organ donor on the NHS Organ Donor Register.

https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/register-your-decision/do-not-donate

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