Baby born from dead donor womb transplant in UK first

I suspect the 'science' will eventually get 'there.'

I've had many women say they'd happily loan/give me (a woman not born as such) their uterus, including my mother. Just because you lot are terminally focused on gametes doesn't mean the rest of the world shares your vision.

Science is a wonderful thing. The womb is an organ, very few consider it to be the 'vessel of the divine female.'

The confidence in the organ transplant being automatically life-saving is unfortunately misplaced. A close relative of mine had an organ transplant that failed, and they died during the operation. Another relative of mine suffered from infertility and was unable to conceive despite several rounds of IVF, which was absolutely searing. Unfortunately, their infertility was also linked to a genetic condition associated with cancer, so they did not live long enough to be able to have a baby.
Every day tragedies, if you like.

I've got some sympathy for your second point, but I can't accept "the womb is just the space for the baby to grow".
The conception and gestation of a baby is amazingly complex. People feel how they feel, it's deep, relating to life and death, fundamental symbiotic relationships between mother and child, actually creating new life - our own origin, as everyone was made in this way. All of us had a mother, in whose womb we once grew. While it is an ordinary occurrence, it's still extraordinary, and I imagine people feeling protective of their wombs, with all of that potential within the body.

@JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn because it came out of a dead body and the baby is growing IN that. Gives me the creeps, sorry!

But the womb is just the space for the baby to grow. I honestly don’t know why that makes you feel uncomfortable. Or why any child born via a transplanted womb should feel any less connected to their mother and father.

Again, I didn't mention adoption or say it was a cure for infertility.

Elaborate on how a voluntary womb transplant is comparable to a life-saving major organ transplant?

Gross.

Because it involves another person-the baby (in case everyone forgot) and they didn't get to consent. I wouldn't want a donated organ (might change my mind if I ever needed one but that's currently where I stand) and I wouldn't want that decision taken away from me. If that means not getting to be born then that would've suited me just fine. The whole thing makes me extremely uncomfortable.

Nope. I am ok with my liver helping a drug addict or alcoholic. I am ok with my kidney going to a burglar.

I don't want my uterus to be used to create a baby.

Not sure why not wanting to fling my genitalia into the world for use as others wish is so controversial!

The flippancy with which posters here are treating organ donation makes it very hard to understand why we have issues with blood stocks or donor organs at all really.

This horrifies me. Surprised it's ethical to experiment on babies in this way. I would absolutely opt-out of donating a womb. I don't want kids despite being very maternal-I'm against having children for ethical reasons. Using a dead donors womb amplifies that by about 1000x. Women (and doctors) playing god with babies lives and people championing that because women should get whatever they want at whatever cost.

It's a thought isn't it?

But to me (and as much as you may disagree it's my opinion on what happens to my body parts that counts) there is a very significant difference when it comes to reproductive organs and genitalia.

I would also be uncomfortable with my face being transplanted. On anyone.

Have you opted out of all organ donation in case your kidney or a lung keeps an abusive parent alive? Or a domestic abuser?

Of course you get a say with your own body parts. Would you opt out of all organ donation in case someone you didn't like got your organs when you would have said no if you knew the person?

It is not a disability regardless of personal feelings on the matter. Do you not know what the word disability means?

I completely accept other people's agency to do as they want without scrutiny or judgement. I get it.

I don't have to supply my reproductive organs to facilitate it was my point. When my own body parts are involved, then I get a say. Not because I should be the judge and jury on who gets to be parents but so that I am conscience clear on having zero part in unwittingly participating in a child's abuse or suffering.

By saying no to donating my uterus, I don't have to wrangle with the potential issues.

Tend to agree in general, think I was referring to people’s concerns about live donors being coerced etc. You’d assume there would be safeguards obviously about this kind of thing but understand why people may jump to this as being a possibility in future.

Nobody checks that fertile people are going to be good parents before they are allowed to procreate. Why do you think it is acceptable for infertile people to be judged and for other people to decide if they are worthy of treatment/children or not?

To answer your question though to have IVF in the UK you have to complete a "welfare of the child" assessment which is incredibly insulting as no fertile woman is ever assessed in that way before she allowed to have her own children.

Who checks the recipient and their partner are suitable parents. How do you feel about facilitating the creation and birth of a child who may be subjected to a difficult, traumatic or otherwise to you unacceptable upbringing? I don't like the way a lot of people parent and wouldn't want to be a participant in helping them have a child. I can accept we are all different but I dont have to be a cog in the wheel.

What if they are racists or believe in physical punishments for young children, or think babies should be left to cry or they intend to send the child to boarding school age 7 or or etc.

If the research team are only involved the medical stuff then the new parents could be included solely on their eligibility of needing a womb. Who sets other parameters like age, income, housing, etc? Would you be as happy for your donated womb to be used to facilitate a 50+ yr old woman carry a pregnancy?.A woman who lives in a hostel and has a very low income? A relationship with domestic abuse or coercive control?

If I opt out then I am not part of any of the risk of being partly responsible for bringing a child into the world to live in circumstances I am not comfortable with.

Your posts are irritable and shouty. Entertainment value is there I suppose, but why use capital letters and expressions such as "it's not that hard to understand," unless you just enjoy being rude to people? In this particular post, the poster to whom you were replying did not agree with your original statement. That doesn't mean they were stupid or wrong. It means they have a different point of view.

“You can throw yourself into programs working with kids. You can forge relationships with neices/nephews.”

Nope nope nope. I had a condition that I was told would make it incredibly hard for me to get pregnant. I spent years utterly broken and struggled to be around children.

I’ve somehow managed a spontaneous pregnancy and I feel I’ve been given my life back. I cried with relief at the positive tests, it’s as if the weight of a planet had been lifted from my shoulders. I was no longer condemned to what I felt was a miserable half-life. That’s not to say every childless woman has a half-life, not every women wants children and some are more partial to children but not overly fussed either way. However, in my individual case, the thought of not being able to experience pregnancy, birth and raising a child with the man I love was genuinely life-ruining.

Try telling someone who can no longer eat by month due to a chronic health condition and needs to be permanently tube fed to get a job as a chef so that they can still “throw themselves into the pleasures of food”, and see how well that goes down when they have to watch everyone else have access to something so natural that they have been deprived of.

Well, when people post hurtful and judgemental statements about people going through a pain they clearly don't understand and keep shouting out misinformation that may turn uninformed people against the sufferers for reasons that aren't even real it does get people's backs up.

Sorry I meant organ transplant recipients have been having babies for years with no harm to their children

Please tell me my phone isn't the only one autocorrecting wombs for bombs!

I have read the article...it is not that bad....she has a healthy baby, the womb donor was gone anyway so? Obviously I don't want men growing babies

I don’t have any moral objections to this whatsoever. All organ donations from
dead donors are fine with me.

Totally opposed to surrogacy and have ethical worries about living organ donations (and the potential exploitation) but not this.